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LMAO!!!

Thats right, didnt he tag one that some game warden put down due to getting hit by a car or something? (LOL) I vaguely remember you guys talking about it, but cant recall the details.

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Just a couple stats on those 2 bucks.....Franks has 6" bases and scores 142 4/8" with only an 11" inside spread. Frank kept the jawbone from his buck but we haven't had anything "Officially" done with it to verify age, best guess is 6 1/2.

Mine gets there differently with 20 7/8" Inside spread and 13 points w/ 4 1/4" bases and a gross score of 149 5/8"...had he not broken off his left G2 running away he'd gross right about 155".
In my haste I didn't check the tooth wear on mine but it's obvious that he's AT LEAST a 3 1/2yr old buck more likely 4 1/2 or maybe older.
Both are the largest bucks either of us have ever seen on the hoof in the high pressured areas that we hunt and we took them 3 days apart. I hope to just SEE bucks of that caliber in Illinois each year.

These are also 2 bucks that didn't make it to the last scoring session.

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The buck was caught in a fence and the WCO let him use his archery tag after she shot it, so he didn't have to pay $10 a point to keep the rack.

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Can't charge for points if they were all busted off, DUMBASS!
You never will quit until made a fool of.

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If they were all"busted off" the buck wouldn't have been stuck in the fence. Even if it had been a doe it was still tagged illegally. Face it, you stepped in poop and the only way out is to admit it.

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Good point bb. LOLOLOLOL!!!!

I just wonder if he took it home and took a pic of it like a "proud man" LOL.

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didnt bb have a similar kill like that

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That wouldn't be as despicable as borrowing a bunch of old pictures, blurring em all up and cutting the real hunters out of em and then claiming them as your own and then claiming you didnt post your pictue due to paranoia about not wanting the PGC to see who you are. Are you worried about a late night knock on your door from the KGB or PGC?

LOL LOL

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As a matter of fact he did. And it's the only deer he's managed to kill since AR started

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You are not even close to being honest. The buck I shot was still mobile and it wasn't shot with a firearm and tagged as an archery kill. I shot that buck at the request of the property owner who enrolls his land in the PGC Safety Zone program. I could have called a a WCO and have him shoot it and issue a permit for me to keep it and saved my tag, but I did what was legal and the best for the image of our sport.

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That is only because i passed on 6 AR legal buck in 2002.

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We all realize,that you don't like drawing attention to woodmanship skills or blow your own horn about the monster bucks you have harvested. But for hunters like myself, who have hunted for many years, harvesting a buck now and then and the largest being eight points, could you please post somepictures of your deer, also your name so that we may see where you stand in the record books.

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HA HA HA. LMAO!! Just because YOU cant do something doesnt mean others cant. LOL. Maybe next year you'll get your every 10th year buckbtb.(LOL)

BTW, Im flattered that you find my success so unbelievable. Maybe when you grow up and pull your head out of that dark place and act like you have some sense, maybe you'll find success and wont need to travel 800 miles and pay for it! (LOL)(LOL) Perhaps you should shut up and listen..

a little more and flap your gums a whole lot less.;) Just think ofshutting upas killingtwo birds with one stone. You might learn something, plus it will help with your chronic lying problem.

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You've admitted to not having the willpower to pass on button bucks!

Passing a car with an AR legal buck on the roof doesnt count LOL

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You are nothing but a no good lying skunk. You know I passed on 12 AR legal buck in 2001 and 2002 so i definitely have the will power to pass on BB.. But maybe you are the exception to that rule. ,even a brain dead imbecile would know that harvesting BB as antlerless deer has had no negative effect on our herd.

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This pic has been posted on this site before. I chose it because a search will show it's been up on here several times so all you whiners and wannabees cant suggest it's been faked or borrowed. it's on this site and date stamped enough times that no BS claim can be made about it.
(I'm sure the lying monkeyboy will try anyway)

These guys date from 99 through 2005 and numbers 1 2 4 and 6 going from left to right are all from PA

(whoops! Correction! number 6 was before 99, my bad! mid 90's but exact date is uncertain. That guy was moved to camp and another has taken his place. Cant see much of him anyway, he was only around 105")

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I don't think anyone here believes he passed even one legal buck, when he denigrateseveryone here that passes legal bucks. He always has a qualifier of why he never kills a buck, but he is caught in a catch22. Admitting to killing a buck would point a microscopic shredof credit to the pgc and he can not let that happen. His hatred of the pgc is so toxic that he probably never goes hunting for fear of having success.

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Here's number 2. Not anywhere near my biggest but definitel my favorite PA buck:D

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You got busted on that lie. Try again

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Only in your wildest dreams. It is simply impossible for you to know if I am lying about what I saw or what bucks I passed.

You can't even explain what RRD means or how it applies to our current deer management plan. you rally don't have a clue.

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First off, the reason your honesty is continuallyquestioned is because you are a multiple time proven liar. Second, as for the deer, I dont doubt them. And its no surprise the biggest few arent from Pa.

As for believability,You're the one who makes it sound as if noone can kill a deer. I dont believe it to be a huge undertaking myself. You showed 4 bucks ranging from slightly better than average to decent one or two possibly "good" bucks by Pa standards. And its only 4 deer, and even blind squirrels stumple across nuts once in awhile, so Why wouldnt I believe that?? You hunt in the wmu with the most record book entries in the state, and you act like you're trying to get us to believe you just shot the state record! (LOL)...Take a breath....Its ok, monkey boy believes you! (LOL) What a dil-hole.

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Half right this time! Yes it would be impossible to know what you passed because we were not in the woods with you. We wouldn'tknow a thing about your hunts and your lying if not for the conflicting statements you've posted here. First, you claimed to have only seen three deer this past seasom. Then, months later, you suddenly remember seeing6 bucks in two days, then a few weeks later, the number jumps to 12! You are correct when you say that we cant know what you really saw. However we can know what you claimed to have seen. Which twoof the three conflicting statements were the lies or was it all three?

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Based on how you characterize those bucks, (average to decent) it's obvious that you secretly realize that hunting in PA must be pretty good after all. Whoops, did I let your secret out?:D

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I was asked to add BB's braggin' pic to the thread:

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Now I see why he passed all those bucks

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As Bluebird suggested, I actually considered that archery kills might be a factor so I did them too.

Here are the results from the top 60 typical and top 40 non typical archery kills:

Period……………………number entered……………………..average antler score
1951-1960.…………………..1.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............151.4
1961-1970.…………………..2.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............158.2
1971-1980.…………………..2.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............151.0
1981-1990.………………….16.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦............162.2
1981-2000.………………….43.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦............159.2
2001 >………………………36.……………⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦............163.3

Now remember we have only had seven years of entries in the 2001 to present period and ten years in all the other periods. It is also very likely that there will be entries coming in that were harvested the more recent years for a good while yet.

I think it is also obvious that the deer numbers significantly increasing in the southeast and southwest areas of the state had an affect on the number of bucks both available for harvest and of the the quality that would make the record book.

Then I thought that perhaps just using those 39 entries that Bluebird posted might not be a large enough sample size to have validity. So, I took the top hundred non-typical rifle and the top hundred typical rifle harvests and tallied all of them to see how that stacked up.
Here are the results from the top hundred typical and top hundred non-typical rifle harvests.

Period……………………number entered……………………..average antler score
> - 1931.…………………….16.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦............170.0
1931-1940.………………….22.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............170.3
1941-1950.………………….43.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............175.4
1951-1960.………………….18.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............173.7
1961-1970.………………….14.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............170.5
1971-1980.…………………..9.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..............169.0
1981-1990.………………….26.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............172.3
1991-2000.………………….34.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............170.6
2001- >……………………..18.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..............178.3

Since deer number in much of the southern tier were scarce until into the mid to late 1980’s I think this presents a pretty clear picture of when the deer numbers and the quality of the bucks in the northern tier peeked and then started the downward trend in both numbers and quality. You can actually see how the increasing deer populations of the southern tier influenced the record book entries stating in the 1980s.

This does also show a high probably of Bluebird being at least partly correct about the archery harvests affecting the more recent rifle entries. So, I took the total of the three hundred entries (200 rifle and 100 archery) combined their total inches of entry and then came up an average for all of the top three hundred entries.

Here are the results of the top two hundred rifle being combined with the top hundred bow entries:

Period……………………number entered……………………..average antler score
> - 1931.…………………….16.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦............170.0
1931-1940.………………….22.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............170.3
1941-1950.………………….43.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............175.4
1951-1960.………………….19.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............172.6
1961-1970.………………….16.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............169.1
1971-1980.………………….11.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............165.6
1981-1990.………………….42.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............168.4
1991-2000.………………….77.………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............164.3
2001 - >……………………..54.……………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.............168.3

A couple of things that are interesting is that you can still see how the number or quality bucks were steadily declining right up the point the deer populations increased in the southern tier. I am confident that is just more proof of how the habitat of the northern tier affected both the number and quality of the deer and especially the bucks.

Then you can see how the number of record book bucks increased again as the southern tier deer numbers grew. What might be a bit of a concern is how the quality of those bucks in even the southern tier was on the decline during the period between 1991 and 2000. Could that be the early warning signs of more deer then the habitat wants?

It is also more then just a bit noteworthy that the yearly average for book entries since 2001 has already exceeded the average for all other years. Since we only have a maximum possibility of seven years of harvests being entered since 2001 that yearly average is already higher then the 7.7 per year of the previous ten year period. Those bucks are also averaging out to be bigger then before antler restrictions, according to facts from the record book entries.

Now isn’t that something? I seem to remember someone predicting that would happen back before antler restrictions were implemented. I also have been hearing people saying it couldn’t happen that way and calling that guy a liar. I guess maybe we are starting to see that the professionals really do know more about what is likely to happen then the naysayer’s are.

R.S. Bodenhorn

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"Whoops, did I let your secret out?"

Actually Pgc has been "letting it out" every year for the last decade inviting all the nonresidents who can fit in a car and people from all across the state to come to kill all the giant bucks. (LOL)

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So you agree that our bucks are getting better after all?

Welcome to the crowd!:D:D:D

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Rsb, for god sake man!! The south having too many deer during the ALL TIME HIGH number of entries??? How in the hell did ya come up with that? (LOL) Look at that list!! Look at how many times counties for 2b are on there and what years!! It 100% contradicts what you said, and that wasin one of the highest deer density areas of the state! Heck they shouldve just titled that the 2b list! (LOL) Look how many times allegheny and surrounding counties are listed!!! And that doesnt even account for the other "odd" occurrences of other sw counties.

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How many different ways can it be shown?

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Btb, honestly, I dont. On average yes. By numbers of good buck? I wish that were the case, but no. At least thats not what Im seeing in 2A or 2C.

2A when compared to late 90's to early 2000's quality just aint quite the same. Dont know if the quality is off a bit due to more hunting pressure or what. and 2C is just flat beat these days. I dont make it up to 2b, but Id imagine its pretty good hunting in areas qualitywiseand I know that it has been for some time now.

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We can agree on that. Better on average but fewer overall.

We'd probably agree that there are probably areas that are "beat" in every WMU as well.

Having spent my early hunting years almost solely in 2F in the ANF, my perspective is that there have always been areas that were "beat" at least dating back to my start in 1969.

I only know a couple of guys who really hunt2A and they hunt southwest Greene but I gotta tell you that they absolutely rave about it. They have a small chunk of private ground next to a SGL and they wind up on the SGL most of the time because that's where they've been getting the deer. They have taken some darn fine bucks 125-140ish in recent seasons.

There's no doubt that in some areas you gotta move or change strategy but there are some great bucks out there and the numbers RSB took the time to calculate sure seem to support that things are improving in quality if not quantity.

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Once again your inherent bias prevents you from seeing the forest for the trees. There are many reasons why the number of record buck decreased in the NC counties and the main reason is the population decreased from 45 DPSM in 1975 to around in 1979 and it has been reduced even more during the last 8 years.At the same time timber harvests increased 30M BF in 1979 to over 70M BF during the 80s, so there was more than enough food for the much smaller herd.

Furthermore, without knowing the age of the bucks that were entered ,your entire analysis is flawed. The number of hunters increased to about 1.3 M in the early 80's and the quality of our weapons and hunting gear resulted in higher hunting pressure which would mean fewer bucks would survive long enough to be record book bucks.

Until you can prove the size of the average 2.5+ buck increased due to ARs, all your claims and theories about ARs are irrelevant and unproven.

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Wrong!
RSB presented a very compelling case and your response isnothing more thangrasping for straws.

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Again BB you can't see past your nose. Timber production increased from almost nothing. The percentage of increase doesn't really mean much when it was coming from nothing to start with.

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When we had 45 DPSM in 1975 ,they were harvesting 50M BFT/year, in the 90s they were harvesting over 70M B Ft. /year with only 30 DPSM. So once again it you that doesn't know what he is talking about ,along with RSB and BTB.

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By failing to account for the age of the bucks in the record buck ,RSB failed to prove anything about the effects of the habitat or the effects of ARs.

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What possible relevence does deer density vs BF of timber harvets in any given year have about anything?

Deer densities have no effect on how much timber is harvested and timber harvest has no direct effect on deer density until regeneration begns to take place.

Your point was simply pointless.

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While it's true that age was not part of what he posted. He probably assumed that any child could recognize that virtually all of those high end bucks were not yearlings. His information isvalid in spite of the fact that he didnt dumb it down for you.