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In 2002 , before any bucks were saved by ARs , 2.5+ buck made up 32% of the harvest compared to 33% in the 60's.

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No one missed it. When you first posted it, it was the third different story you had about thesame season. Another lie.

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Obviously BWJ missed it or he wouldn't have ask the question. Remember it was you that claimed our herd was being at the optimal sustainable yield , so you are in no position to call anyone else a liar ,since that is the only thing you are good at.

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There you go again, using the same facts to say something different.

32% of the harvest being 2.5 +is not the same thing.

If for exampleexactly 80percent of 1.5 died in their first year, some would live1,2,3,4,5, more years. Now the running total of 2.5+bucks can be more than 20%.

Just another Bluebird spin aka another Bluebird lie

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Yet you whine like a red headed step childwho didn't get a puppy forChristmas .

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Nobody misssed it because that's not what you said the first time.
Here it is
here's the link to the page where you said this ...

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3339960&mpage=9

2 days, two years.... a bit of a difference there wouldn't you say?

Which was the truth?

Why don't you quit giving yourself egg facials and simply post the truth?

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That is pure nonsense ,but it is not a lie ,but just another example of your colossal ignorance. If 80% of the harvest are 1.5 buck , the remaining 20% will be a combination of 2.5, 3.5 and 4.5 + buck and in a stable herd those percentage would not change significantly.
I already explained to you that I made a mistake You make lots of them so you should understand the difference between a mistake and an intentional lie.

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please provide the link where you even acknowledged it before just now

To my memory, this is the first time if not one of very few times where the words " I made a mistake" were posted by you

( whoops, just remembered, BB did acknowledge a mistake about livbucks old days photo. My bad for not remembering that one. It is the only time I can remember BB recanting anything)

Oh and when i did acknowledge a mistake by posting a retraction, you chose to continue to call me a liar along with your buddy monkeyboy.

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When did I ever complain about not getting a buck? If that was really important to me I'd carry a weapon on every hunt, but I spend as much time hunting without a weapon as I do with a weapon. I much rather see my wife or one of the other members of the party kill a deer,I've killed enough for one lifetime ,but I will still take a few if the timing suits me.

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Almost daily

Like when the farmer points out a cripple that needs put down

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Yer right, its my bad, its the P.G.C.'s cooking you've been berating for untold years.

Silly me to think you've been complaining about no deer all this time. Hell I agree with you their cooking sucks.

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I dunno they put out a few good recipes.... They've managed to take some scraps of leftoverhabitat, portioned it into WMU's mixed in liberal ladles of HR with healthy dollops of AR, mixed it all together, put on the burner for 6 years and and came up with.....
a Corny, Bluebird stew best served with coalcrackers

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LMFAO

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Of course some of the best cooking outcomes are the result of mistakes and the unintended consequences wind up being loved by many. For example....



BB[&:], not to be outdone, takes a couple pounds of PGC facts, puts them in a blender, cooks them his own secret way, seasons it with some spiced up personal stories and pops it into the HNI Northeast oven. It generates plenty of smoke there and when the other members finally get past the smoke and mirrors to retrieve the dish, and viola! out comes [&:]birds favorite meal.....

Toasted Crow sandwich
with a side of humble pie!

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Just keep piling on the insults and then complain some more about the tone of the board in another thread. You admit to being a troll posting for no other reason than to start an argument and then you have the nerve to complain.

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your rightbb naughty jim we should just ignore bb instead insulting him if we dont like what he has to say

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You really shouldn't pick on our friends the birds and this little poem will tell you what could happen to you.

Little birdie in the sky
dropped some white wash in my eye
I was brave and I didn't cry
because I'm glad that cows can't fly

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LOL! Have a good night CC!

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And here is a news flash for you too.

The units that make up those four counties have had the highest buck harvests per square mile in the state over the past years when the number of record book entries declined in those counties. Therefore, the decline in book entries obviously isn’t from a lack of bucks being available. Since we have already seen that statewide the book entries are higher since 2001 then ever before in the history of deer harvests the decline in record book bucks being entered from those four counties can only mean that fewer of the bucks being harvested in those counties is book worthy or that people simply aren’t getting the smaller book bucks scored, which is what I suspect to the be the biggest factor.

Remember, as shown in my comments within your own post, I said fewer book bucks available. That is a long stretch from me saying there were fewer bucks available. Especially since, like I already said, those counties have had the highest buck harvests per square mile in the state for a long time.

You need to look at more of the facts and then take a few minutes to think things through toward a logical conclusion before you post your spinning yarns and posting nonsense that isn’t supported with any facts.

R.S. Bodenhorn

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But the highest buck harvest rates means fewer buck survive to become old enough to become record book buck.

Could it be that the decrease in record book buck in 2B is due to the effects of high grading ,just like in Miss.?

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Neither is likely since the average antler measurement for those counties scored 11.5 inches higher since antler restrictions then before the restriction years began.

You’re having trouble getting these facts to spin in favor of your nonsense aren’t you?

R.S. Bodenhorn

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but you said the increase was due to guys not submitting smaller bucks to be scored . Did you change your mind?

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No, I didn’t change my mind at all. The facts still support exactly what I said from the very beginning.

The record book data, for those four counties, indicates a sharp decline in the number of smaller bucks being entered since 2001, or didn’t you notice that the number declined from 120 in the ten years before antler restrictions down to 32 in the seven years since 2001.

That is a major decline in the number of entries but there was also an increase in the average size of the bucks being entered, (from 133.4 to 145.0). Since those counties still lead the state in the number of bucks being harvested it is therefore most likely that the difference is just in a very high probability that the smaller archery bucks aren’t being scored for entry into the book.

It used to be that a hunter with a 115 - 125 buck was looked on as having a real trophy, but now with so many nicer bucks being harvested a 115 to 125 inch buck is a lot closer to average and it appears many guys just aren’t getting them scored unless they are larger then the minimum book requirements.

R.S. Bodenhorn

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RSB, that supports what Bob and I have stated.

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I agree. 20 years ago, I'd have run like heck right to the next session if I had a scorable buck. Since 99, I have been blessed with5 such PA bucks but never considered taking the time to submit them. Now a 150+ PA buck, he's going in the records!

Of course, It would take a booner if it comes from the midwest:D

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No, the facts do not support what you said all along. What the facts show is there are too many variables involved with the production and harvest of record book buck to draw any meaningful conclusions about the effects of ARs. The only way to determine if ARs improved rack sizes is compare buck in the same age class before and after ARs were implemented. As yet the PGC has refused to release that data, even though Miss. released their data after 5 years and that data showed the average rack decreased across the entire state. Could that be the reason the PGC refuses to release the data after 7 years of ARs?

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X2 on that one. I killed four that are around 140 and I have none of them entered.

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Looks like a consensus. Thelark is dull and void.

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So the three of you agree on something that tells us nothing about whether ARs increased the average rack sizes of buck or not. That isn't anything to brag about.

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AR's were never supposed to increase the size of the average buck.They were simply designed to save a higher percentage of 1.5 year old bucks.

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You are correct , but RSB ,BTB and Livbucks insist that ARs did in fact increase rack sizes of 2.5 + buck. And ,as I am sure you recall ,Alt said we we likely be seeing more and larger buck than ever before.;)

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I see more and larger buck i know that its because they are allowed to age a extra year or two not because they magical have bigger horns

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bowtruck: we are just waisting our time with BB! He doesn't believe!

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BB,Alt was delusional with many of his claims but I still have yet tosee where he claimed the average size of 2.5 year old bucks would increase.

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If your are hasn't been subjected to significant HR , you would in fact be seeing more buck, but that si not what has happened over the vast majority of the state.

but, please explain how you know the 2.5+ buck are bigger now that the 2.5+ buck we harvested before ARs?

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That is because you keep wearing those PGC blinders. The claim that we would see ," more and larger bucks" means just that. Check with any english teacher regarding the sentence structure and meaning.

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I believe ARs allows a higher percentage of 1.5 + buck to live one more year. When the PGC releases data that shows the average 2.5+ buck is bigger than before ARs , then I will believe ARs increased the rack size of 2.5 + buck. until then I will believe the results form Miss. Texas and Dr. Kroll's research which all indicates ARs will reduce the average rack size.

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Never said 2.5 are bigger now then before ars
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You are correct , but RSB ,BTB and Livbucks insist that ARs did in fact increase rack sizes of 2.5 + buck. And ,as I am sure you recall ,Alt said we we likely be seeing more and larger buck than ever before.;)



ok you said alt said we we likely be seeing more and larger buck than ever before;)

I said i do because they are allowed to age a year or two instead of being shot at 1.5

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You may not realize it , but when you made that claim you said you are seeing larger buck than before ARs. that means the 2.5+ buck you are seeing now are bigger than the 2.5+ bucks you saw prior to ARs.

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i see you are twisting what i say so rather than get into a flam war with you i have to decline and post my thoughts on other threads

sorry bluebird not tonight