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livbucks 02-23-2009 06:54 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Ok..I hear ya. Don't go gettin' defensive now.
Looks like some good memories.
Appears that you and pap had benefit of a similar hunting situation.

bluebird2 02-24-2009 03:57 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

What is obvious that don’t know squat about the history of the deer or the habitat that supported those deer in the northern tier back in those better years.

Much of the habitat across the northern was still in the seedling sapling stage into the mid 1940s. The same as the deer numbers and harvests in those northern tier areas didn’t start to decline until the habitat declined.

You can also see how the antler quality started to decline after the habitat declined. By the end of the 1950 both deer numbers and antler quality were headed into a major slump.

It appears both are finally starting to improve after nearly half a century of trying to carry way too many deer. Even the deer are proving that point and proving just how wrong you are.

R.S. Bodenhorn
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, but I'll do my best to set you straight. The herd in the NC counties peaked around 1929 at 45 DPSM. It then crashed and reached a low of around 15 DPSM around 1947. From there it steadily rebounded to over 45 DPSM in the late 70s when a series of harsh winters reduced the herd to around 30 DPSM. From 1980 to to the present the herd has been controlled by the antlerless harvests which reduced the herd in 2G to 10 PS DPSM, even though the habitat could support 30 OWD PSM!!!!!

bawanajim 02-24-2009 04:28 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2


Whatis obvious that don’t know squat about the history of the deer or the habitat that supported thosedeer in the northern tier back in those better years.

Much of the habitat across the northern was still in the seedling sapling stage into the mid 1940s. The same as the deer numbers and harvests in those northern tier areas didn’t start to decline until the habitat declined.

You can also see how the antler quality started to decline after the habitat declined. By the end of the 1950 both deer numbers and antler quality were headed into a major slump.

It appears both are finally starting to improve after nearly half a century of trying to carry way too many deer. Even the deer are proving that point and proving just how wrong you are.

R.S. Bodenhorn
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, but I'll do my best to set you straight. The herd in the NC counties peaked around 1929 at 45 DPSM. It then crashed and reached a low of around 15 DPSM around 1947. From there it steadily rebounded to over 45 DPSM in the late 70s when a series of harsh winters reduced the herd to around 30 DPSM. From 1980 to to the present the herd has been controlled by the antlerless harvests which reduced the herd in 2G to 10 PS DPSM, even though the habitat could support 30 OWD PSM!!!!!
So you are saying that in the last 35 years that forest land has not matured into pole timber that is incapable of producing any worth while deer food.The tree hugger's have put a stop to practically all timber harvest on government controlled land.
How about the influx of Gypsy moths that basically whipped out the red oak'sthat made up a very high percentage of mast trees across PA.
Deer must eat in both good mast years and bad.:eek:
Your blind hatred prevents you from seeing even the most minuscule aspectsof an ecology that far more complicated than youwill ever be able to perceive.
The blindest of men are those whom refuse to see.

bluebird2 02-24-2009 05:01 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Timber production almost tripled from 1979 to 1985 and In the 90's it was still more than double what it was in 1979. So there is at least twice as much food available now than there was when we had 45 DPSM in 1975.

bawanajim 02-24-2009 05:17 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Timber production almost tripled from 1979 to 1985 and In the 90's it was still more than double what it was in 1979. So there is at least twice as much food available now than there was when we had 45 DPSM in 1975.
Did timber production go up as you state or did timber dollar values go up?
This appears to be another of your half truths.
Are we talking deer or beavers, deer do not eat 20-40 year old trees.
I remember canoing the Allegheny river and seeing miles of defoliated oak trees,are you saying deer don'tuse the mast crops as forage.

bluebird2 02-24-2009 05:54 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Did timber production go up as you state or did timber dollar values go up?
This appears to be another of your half truths.
The timber harvest was measured in ,"millions of board feet cut" and it increased from 30M in 1979 to 98 M in1984 and dropped to 75M in 1991.

BTBowhunter 02-24-2009 06:00 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

ORIGINAL: livbucks

I give him credit Bob. Those are some great bucks for the time period they were taken. I also wonder about the blur.
I knew of a guy [dead now]that owned a lot of posted ground and shot bucks like them out of the upstairs bathroom window for decades.
I don't think anybody denied that there were 2-1/2 year old bucks back then. Private property has always played a role.
The big bucks were where you found them.
Greg, you're right. There are a couple of decent bucks on there. I guess the substantial improvement in our bucks over recent years has skewed my judgement a bit:)

I'll even say that if they came from Somerset/Fayette rather than Washington Greene wher he lives, that's even better.

Forgive me however for not trusting this joker. Think about it. I don't have a scanner hooked up either so I can understand the picture of a picture blurring things but who crops the hunter out of a photo? With the blurringit would be pretty easy to post the same deer twice
He also tried to slip in a post AR picture and you caught him.

My cynicism with this clown is also much higher ever since he blatantly altered one of my quotes and posted it as well as claiming that I did the same thing to his posts. That goes beyond twisting the truth or interpereting things differently. It was a bold faced lie,so forgive me for not trusting anything this goober posts.

You are right though, he does have a few nice ones in there;)

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 06:19 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
""Forgive me however for not trusting this joker. Think about it. I don't have a scanner hooked up either so I can understand the picture of a picture blurring things but who crops the hunter out of a photo? ""

I do. I dont wish to have my head copied and pasted onto an ostrich or anything else for that matter, and considering whom Im talking with at the moment, that should be self explanatory. Most childish person on any internet board Ive ever posted. Id also rather not be on the pgc "black list" along with the usp crew.

"With the blurringit would be pretty easy to post the same deer twice "

None of the bucks are even close to looking alike.

"He also tried to slip in a post AR picture and you caught him."

Didnt try to slip in anything. If yoiu couldnt figure out thatthe headline dad "STILL" gets lucky once in awhiledidnt tell you I meant it was a very recent photo, thats your problem.

"My cynicism with this clown is also much higher ever since he blatantly altered one of my quotes and posted it "'


Your a blatant liar. I altered one of your posts awhile back in a quote, AND SAID I WAS DOING IT to show how easily it can be done and how easily YOU HAD ALTERED ONE OF MINE!! So dont act like there was ANY deception at all involved on my part. Though Id say my track record is pretty pristine if after months now, all you can point to is that one false allegation.[:'(]

"That goes beyond twisting the truth or interpereting things differently. It was a bold faced lie,so forgive me for not trusting anything this goober posts. "

Ive never lied on a post here, you always ask for proof, yet the proof is never good enough, even though it is PROOF each and every time...but you on the other hand have been caught BLATANTLY lying several times completely red-handed...

I dont know when you are gonna learn to quit making yourself look like a complete idiot and a beligerant fool who does nothing but argue and insult. Id say you should either give the thumbs up to just about anything I post or avoid my and bb's posts all together if the goal isnt to look like a complete fool.


Btw, dont being trying to twist things up AGAIN. You'll no doubt in the future attempt to misquote me to make ME look like Im lying just to try to even the score since youve undeniabley been caught dozens of times... I said the 70's pics of DADS were from the mountains... The newer pics WERE from 2A areas. The biggest, was 140's... Good enough for me ANYWHERE in Pa.3 of the others were WELL over 200 lb on the hoof. The pic of dads last bow buck was 180lb dressed. The pic of mine where I stated "Poked a hole in in 90's" weighed 203 lbs DRESSED. And my other pic had a buck just over 180 dressed.

So much for those starving 2A bucks!(LOL)(LOL) .....Course you wouldnt know about any of that since your successes have been limited at best and you have to go out of state (even though you are in the best wmu in the state) (LOL)

BTBowhunter 02-24-2009 06:50 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 



Your a blatant liar. I altered one of your posts awhile back in a quote, AND SAID I WAS DOING IT to show how easily it can be done and how easily YOU HAD ALTERED ONE OF MINE!! So dont act like there was ANY deception at all involved on my part.[:'(]
Your claiming I altered your quote was a flat out lie and even generated a warning from a mod. It's all there.

As for claiming I lied anywhere else, you have squat. Once I mistakenly attributed a quote to you that may have actually been from another. It was part of one of your posts and not identified as a quote. I recanted whenit was discovered. A mistake recanted is not a lie. Every other lie you claim boils down to difference of opinion which is 99% of what you post.


I do. I dont wish to have my head copied and pasted onto an ostrich or anything else for that matter, and considering whom Im talking with at the moment, that should be self explanatory. Most childish person on any internet board Ive ever posted. Id also rather not be on the pgc "black list" along with the usp crew.
Ohboo hoo,your excuse for cutting out the hunters is pretty lame. Scared of the PGC eh? LOL LOL

Maybe I could just paste this Cornelius photo on the pics, you kind of strike me as the Roddy Macdowell type...

Nah! You might get too frustrated and try and rip someones face off ;)!



Cornelius08 02-24-2009 06:59 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
"Your claiming I altered your quote was a flat out lie and even generated a warning from a mod. It's all there. "

Yeah. Your right. I said you altered mine. I altered yours (and said so in the post) and the mod said "NO EDITING QUOTES" (LOL) So your point is???

"As for claiming I lied anywhere else, you have squat. Once I mistakenly attributed a quote to you that may have actually been from another."

AND....SWORE UP ANDDOWN called ME a liar continually because of it and hurledinsults....UNTIL I posted the link to your nonsensical lie. And youve also been caught UMPTEEN other times by myself as well as bb.

"It was part of one of your posts and not identified as a quote. I recanted whenit was discovered. "

You didnt recant or discover. I PROVED you lied.

"Ohboo hoo,your excuse for cutting out the hunters is pretty lame. Scared of the PGC eh? LOL LOL"

Not really. But forgive me for not wishing to help them in their deer slaughter damage control efforts. Theyve screwed things up quite nicely WITHOUT my help, thanks. Also,I explained myself. As i said, not gonna give you ammo to fuel your childish bs. Dont like it? Tough chit. It is what it is.

"Maybe I could just paste this Cornelius photo on the pics, you kind of strike me as the Roddy Macdowell type... "

So's yer mamma but I dont post an ape head on her body.:)

"Nah! You might get too frustrated and try and rip someones face off!"

As I told you before, you have nothing to fear, I dont pick onthe disabledwith borderline dimentia, nuerological disfunction andbad tickers.;)

See why I didnt want to post my "Proof"? You ask for it, then when its provided you act like an even bigger arse out of embarrassment frustration and shame.

livbucks 02-24-2009 07:28 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter


ORIGINAL: livbucks

I give him credit Bob. Those are some great bucks for the time period they were taken. I also wonder about the blur.
I knew of a guy [dead now]that owned a lot of posted ground and shot bucks like them out of the upstairs bathroom window for decades.
I don't think anybody denied that there were 2-1/2 year old bucks back then. Private property has always played a role.
The big bucks were where you found them.

You are right though, he does have a few nice ones in there;)
My point was they were really great bucks for the time period in question. I will say that again...
They were really great bucks for the time period in question.

What was you and your Dad's secret for consistently producing high end bucks during that time period Corny??

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 07:55 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Dad was an avid trapper, hunter and fished. I went checking traps, along as an observer hunting and fished all from VERY early age. But I didnt get in on the real hunting action till very early in 1980s. I was too young to hunt in the 70's. but dad and a few of hisbrothers + grandpap spent ALOT of time in the woods rifle season. They also did lots of 4 to6 man drives.

They did some archery hunting, but deer numbers in the area was pretty low and of course at that time, they used recurves, killed a few doe and a small buck every now and then, but not regularly by any stretch. Rifle hunting was their thing.

Dads the only one whoREALLY got into archery hunting. And I loved it immediately. No big secrets to success. Just spending tons of time since early ages in the woods, in my case,having a good teacher and knowing very wellthe lands you hunt and how the deer as well as other hunters use them.

Gotta give alot of credit to the "ol man though. Even now that I sometimes mistakenly believe i "know it all"That ol' coot still does things that make me shake my head, and can pick what at first appears to be the very worst spots, and ends up the best on the property.(LOL)

Pa Trophy Man 02-24-2009 08:39 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Typical Whitetail Deer - Rifle (Page 1)

RANK NAME CITY COUNTY YEAR SCORE
1 JANOWSKY, FRITZ WELLSBURG, NY BRADFORD 1943 189-0
2 PARRY, IVAN GRAYSVILLE GREENE 1974 184-6
3 ALLISON, CHESTER HARLEYSVILLE BLAIR 1951 182-5
4 REIBSON, FLOYD FORKSVILLE SULLIVAN 1931 180-4
5 MILLER, RAYMOND E BEDFORD BEDFORD 1957 177-5
6 KINLEY, PERRY RIDGWAY JEFFERSON 1920 177-0
7 ZERBE, JOHN MCCLURE MIFFLIN 1936 176-5
8 RINEHULS, CLYDE H SAYRE BRADFORD 1944 176-0
9 YOUNG, ARTHUR CENTRE HALL MCKEAN 1930 175-4
10 HOFFMAN, ROBERT MT PLEASANT WESTMORELAND 1949 174-6
11 MCKANE, ROBERT QUAKERTOWN SULLIVAN 2004 174-4
12 BLACK, LEWIS DARLINGTON BEAVER 1979 174-1
13 KIFER, MEAD CLARION CLARION 1947 173-3
14 LABROSSE JR, RONALD J MCMURRAY WASHINGTON 1996 172-6
15 DUNN, CRAIG SMETHPORT MCKEAN 1930 172-4
16 SCHUCKERS, WALTER REYNOLDSVILLE JEFFERSON 2006 171-4
17 WALKER, PAUL SOMERSET SOMERSET 1941 171-2
18 HELANDER, HARRY REW MCKEAN 1955 170-4
18 BOLTON, TYLER WERNERSVILLE BERKS 2006 170-4
18 BURTON, RALPH E CYCLONE MCKEAN 1933 170-4
21 FEATHERS, CLAUDE E FREEDOM BLAIR 1943 170-0
22 PAINTER, LYSLE R NEW WILMINGTON JEFFERSON 1954 169-6
22 SQUIRES, RALPH W MONTROSE SUSQUEHANNA 1941 169-6
24 ROTHROCK, GEORGE PHILIPSBURG CENTRE 1931 169-2
25 BOWSER, WAYNE MARKLEYSBURG FAYETTE 1977 169-1
26 FEHLINGER, CHARLES DALLAS LUZERNE 1945 169-0
26 SCHULTZ, EZRA NEW ALBANY BRADFORD 1927 169-0
28 SUTLEY, E G WEST HICKORY FOREST 1932 168-7
28 MILLER, WINFIELD ELVERSON CHESTER 1945 168-7
28 SHINE, CHARLES JAMESTOWN MERCER 1942 168-7
31 SWEENEY, PAUL LILLY INDIANA 1955 168-6
32 CORNMAN, RONALD CARLISLE CUMBERLAND UNKN 168-5
33 SHAFFER, ROBERT EDINBORO MERCER 1956 168-3
34 NAU, BERNARD MONROVILLE WESTMORELAND 1958 167-4
35 DAVIS, DEBORAH LIGONIER WASHINGTON 1989 167-2
36 REDCAY, BRIAN ELIZABETHTOWN DAUPHIN 1984 167-1
37 WALCHESKI, VINCE CANTON BRADFORD 1932 166-7
38 BURLINGAME, CHARLES COOPERSTOWN CRAWFORD 1946 166-5
38 HOUSEKNECHT, BRADY HUGHESVILLE LYCOMING 1940 166-5
40 DE DIONISIO, RICK ERIE ERIE 1985 166-4

Does anybody known how often these numbers are updated? Not trying to start another bickerfest. I am just curious.

Screamin Steel 02-24-2009 08:59 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
I believe that is only three bucks since AR in the top 40. Not exactly whatwhas predicted.[:-]

DougE 02-24-2009 10:15 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
All sarcasm aside,it's good to see a guy look up to his father.I Hope you guys have many more yearsin the woods together.Some of the best memories I have of my father are the ones we shared while hunting.It's still tough for me to go back and hunt some of those hills.

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 10:50 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Yeah. I know what ya mean Doug. Grandad passed onseveralyears ago in his late 80's, and hunted till the year he died. While I miss him and all, I really feel bad for my dad when we are wandering through the woods and pass what used to besome of HIS dads favorite spots. He doesnt talk about it or anything. But I know its gotta be tough. I know I'll be in HIS place soon enough and its not something Im looking forward to. Im Pretty sure that'll be the time I start hunting completely different areas.

DougE 02-24-2009 11:24 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Just make the best of it now.

Matt / PA 02-24-2009 11:53 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
WMU's 4B and 5B (me on the right) checkin' in!
(just because :))



I absolutely believe that 2G picture........I was basically called a liar earlier this year because a buddy and I spotted several P&Y quality bucks from the Sproul State forest one of which looked eerily similar to that one on the bottom right.
And it took us all of 1hr to find them on State forest! :D

BTBowhunter 02-24-2009 11:54 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Those lists are published shortly after each scoring session which has been intermittent lately. They used to do it on a fairly regular basis.(Every couple of years)I'll see if I can come across the interval.

BTBowhunter 02-24-2009 11:56 AM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Nice Bucks Matt!

Congrats!!!

rem700man 02-24-2009 12:42 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Cornelius:
You did it! Just as i was getting tired of reading the same old BS from these guys,,,you threw in the pics and the memories of hunting with Dad and family,,,you kept me here for all 18 pages of this other nonsense,,,we must be close to the same age and experienced the same hunting past and i feel lucky to have the times with my Dad as do you,,,i've noticed things changing alot over the past 10 yrs with the older guys at camp,,,not stayin but a few days or not coming at all with the lack of deer in 4d and i myself have not hunted Pa. at all in 3 seasons,,,due to the herd falling apart,,,but the memories of the past and hopefully the future with my son and Dad all hunting together are what keeps my mind busy everyday while i drive a truck at work. Congratulations on some nice racks over the years for both you and your Dad and i must say,,,i think you schooled a few of these old BS'rs on here,,,made me laugh

bluebird2 02-24-2009 12:47 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Maybe this explains why the number of record book buck harvested by rifle hunters declined.


Big Game Records
Search Pennsylvania Game Commission - State Wildlife Management Agency Home Printable Version eMail
Typical Whitetail Deer - Archery (Page 1)

RANK NAME CITY COUNTY YEAR SCORE
1 GETTEMY, CHAD BELLEVILLE, MI UNKNOWN 2005 180-8
2 NICOLA SR, MICHAEL J WATERFORD ALLEGHENY 2004 178-2
3 MUNTZ, ALBERT J HAVERTOWN BUCKS 1995 174-7
4 STOLTENBERG JR , R BUTLER BUTLER 1986 174-2
5 HECKATHORN, MICHAEL GROVE CITY MERCER 2000 171-6
5 SANKEY, BRUCE JAMESTOWN UNKNOWN 2005 171-6
7 HOROSKY, JACK ST PETERS CHESTER 2005 168-4
8 JOYCE, CHRISTOPHE PITTSBURGH ALLEGHENY 1985 167-6
9 CUNNINGHAM, GEORGE NEW RINGGOLD SCHUYLKILL 2002 166-6
10 CISNEY, SCOTT HERSHEY DAUPHIN 2005 165-5
10 GOLGOSKY, BILL BADEN BEAVER 2005 165-5
12 CUNNINGHAM, WILLIAM LATROBE WESTMORELAND 2004 165-3
13 EPPRECHT, DONALD MONT CLARE MONTGOMERY 1993 163-3
14 HOCKENBERRY, JOHN MIFFLINBURG NORTHUMBERLAND 2000 163-1
15 DOWNING, DENNIS WEST MIDDLESEX LAWRENCE 1999 162-3
16 MCCONEGHY, JEFF CLAIRTON ALLEGHENY 1991 161-3
17 MARIN, DONALD HATBORO MONTGOMERY 2004 161-0
17 YOUNG, ROGER UNK BUTLER 2007 161-0
19 WINTER, ROBERT M PITTSBURGH ALLEGHENY 2000 159-5
20 ZIMMERMAN, LESTER LITITZ LANCASTER 2004 159-1
21 MOSIER, JACK HARBOR CREEK ERIE 2000 158-5
22 ENGLE, CHRIS KEMPTON BERKS 2001 158-4
23 HENRY, LYNN A ROCKWOOD SOMERSET 1996 157-7
24 MISNER, DANIEL JOHNSTOWN CAMBRIA 2000 157-6
25 ROBISON, DALE G NEW EAGLE MCKEAN 1998 157-4
25 LINDENMUTH JR, BRYN YORK LEHIGH 2005 157-4
27 CLAWSON, ROGER TEMPLETON ARMSTRONG 1999 156-7
28 REBICH, JEFFREY ALIQUIPPA ALLEGHENY 2000 156-5
29 ONEILL, LARRY HOOKSTOWN BEAVER 2005 156-4
30 SMITH, CODY HERNDON SCHUYLKILL 2007 156-2
31 SHULTZ, ROBERT WRIGHTSVILLE YORK 2003 156-1
32 WHIPKEY, R ADRIAN HOLBROOK GREENE 1998 156-0
33 BEPPLER, STEVE WEST PITTSTON LACKAWANNA 2007 155-2
33 KASUNIC, ERIC ALIQUIPPA BEAVER 1994 155-2
33 SARVEY, GREGORY ALLIQUIPPA BEAVER 1990 155-2
36 GETSY, ANDREW PATTON CAMBRIA 1965 155-1
37 HAINES, DANIEL BOYERTOWN CHESTER 1993 154-3
38 SHEETZ, TERRY FLEETWOOD BERKS 2007 154-1
39 CARR, WALLACE CHESWICK ALLEGHENY 1996 154-0
40 CRUM, ROGER LEHIGHTON CARBON 2006 153-7
40 JONES, BRIAN , SOMERSET 1988 153-7
42 KINGSTON, JOSEPH YORK YORK 1994 153-1
43 EDWARDS, WAYNE NEW CASTLE LAWRENCE 1981 153-0
43 KORFF, JODI GIBSONIA ALLEGHENY 1985 153-0
45 URBAS, DANIEL A WEXFORD ALLEGHENY 1995 152-7
46 OCONNOR, TERRY JERSEY SHORE LYCOMING 2006 152-6
47 DESMOND, ED UNK BUTLER 2001 152-5
48 BROOKS, MICHAEL L WEST GROVE CHESTER 2003 152-1
48 TAGLIERI, JAMES M TURTLE CREEK ALLEGHENY 1996 152-1
50 DUPOLDT, ROBERT PHILADELPHIA CHESTER 1994 152-0
50 KILLORIAN, TOM SPRING MOUNT MONTGOMERY 1993 152-0
52 METZGER, STEVE GERMANSVILLE LEHIGH 1989 151-4
52 BONSER, ROBERT W PITTSTON WYOMING 1960 151-4
54 RINGLER, JOSEPH MOHNTON BERKS 2002 151-1
54 MCGINNIS, MATTHEW LEWISBURG LYCOMING 1991 151-1
56 CAR JR, WILLIAM A WHITEHALL NORTHAMPTON 1997 150-4
57 COLONELLA, RICK VALENCIA ALLEGHENY 1986 150-3
58 LANDMAN, LARRY

Coalcracker 02-24-2009 01:00 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
ALL RIGHT, number 52 was shot in my area, a good grain fed deer.

livbucks 02-24-2009 01:10 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
I do notice that the bucks Matt and friend are showing beat all those from Corny's warm memories, and that scene Matt is sharing is being repeated all over the commonwealth in the last couple seasons.

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 01:12 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Rem700, glad you enjoyed it.

BB, I donno if what you're saying is exactly accurate. Im guessing you are pointing out that alot more better buck are being taken in archery. But I might add that there is a HELLUVA lot of bucks on there that appear to befrom the sra 2b. Thats where the big boys are coming from and thats where they were coming from prior to the deer plan also. Also the area least effected by the "plan" due to access issues etc.

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 01:19 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
"I do notice that the bucks Matt and friend are showing beat all those from Corny's warm memories, and that scene Matt is sharing is being repeated all over the commonwealth in the last couple seasons. "

Its but one deer, although a good one. And while thats your opinion, the biggest of those I pictured probably scores about the same. Its about 4" narrower, and a point or two less,but has about twice the mass with 5.5" bases and 6" brow tines, and probably a bit longer beam length since the rack curves all the way around.... But hey whatever floats your boat. Matts buck is a damn-fine one for sure. I could just as easily post picks from bucks others have killed far bigger than both mine and his. Wasnt my point in posting. Point was you called me out and you got your nose busted figuratively. (LOL) You said there was no bucks except spikesbeing killed blah blah blah in the 70's and I was drinking bong water for saying otherwise. Only reasonI posted a few of the others was to show you werent talking to some inexperienced non-deer finding nimrod such as yourself. As for big bucks, big bucks were taken before and since the deer plan. And no one photo or one dozen is gonna change that fact. In many areas of the state, there are simply FEWER now.;)

Even though, usually those who run there mouth the most prove things the least. I dont see your large array of "trophies" being posted very quickly. (LOL) At this point Id be very surprised to see a pic of a road-killed weasel from you.:D

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 01:22 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
"that scene Matt is sharing is being repeated all over the commonwealth in the last couple seasons."

Its still very rare, and always has been.

bluebird2 02-24-2009 01:31 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

But I might add that there is a HELLUVA lot of bucks on there that appear to be from the sra 2b.
And 50% of the bucks harvested in 2B are harvested during archery and that doesn't leave many big buck for the rifle hunters.

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 01:36 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
There isnt any rifle hunting in 2b.

But i believe you mean gun hunting so, I get ya on that. Thing is, what is happening there isnt indicative of elsewere. Elsewhere the archery season isnt as intense due to lack of rifle season, + the access and safety zone issues. crossbows have been legal not to mention big bucks being far fewer and farther between outside of the sra.

livbucks 02-24-2009 01:38 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Had enough, or are ya thirsty for more?



BTBowhunter 02-24-2009 01:39 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2


But I might add that there is a HELLUVA lot of bucks on there that appear to befrom the sra 2b.
And 50% of the bucks harvested in 2B are harvested during archery and that doesn't leave many big buck for the rifle hunters.
Even by your numbers whch i didn't bother to check, that leaves 50%.

the other part that you left out is that 2B has many square miles that are only available to archers either because of safety zones or private property owner preference, or municipalauthority on public ground (usually parks etc)

The bottom line is that much of 2B is not safe or available for firearm hunting

bluebird2 02-24-2009 01:42 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
That does not change the fact that the harvest of record book buck by archers reduces the number of record book buck available for rifle hunters.

livbucks 02-24-2009 01:47 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Hold the phone!


livbucks 02-24-2009 01:51 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
More in the clip, don't mess with the bull


Cornelius08 02-24-2009 01:51 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Ha ha ha. Yeah. NOW all of a sudden after all the talk and being made a fool of, now all of a sudden the pics come out eh? (LOL)(LOL)

You'dve been more believable by posting this:

bluebird2 02-24-2009 01:54 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Nice buck ,but it proves absolutely nothing.

livbucks 02-24-2009 01:57 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Respectable one...I have 5 more, but I have to go find the pics.

Is that enough Corny??


bluebird2 02-24-2009 02:01 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
Let's see a pic of the one you tagged illegally as an archery kill.

Cornelius08 02-24-2009 02:05 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 
"More in the clip, don't mess with the bull"

Ha ha ha. You've shown you MIGHT not be a completely deerless fool as Id surmised (if those are your pics) But lets not get carried away now. Youve posted a few 14" bucks a couple even had decent tine length, but mess with the "bull"? Lets not push it! (LOL)

What wmu were those taken? Seems the bodies are pretty light. Bucks around here wouldmake thosejokers their bee-otches! (LOL) Must need some more hr there.:D

livbucks 02-24-2009 02:11 PM

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 



















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