RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

:eek:
i agree with you, i am not from ny.

AR program here in pa. is great thing,it allows bucks to get a little older and we all like the bigger horns too..

BUT the AR will not work like it should as long as kids 12/16 are allowedto shoot the little bucks before they get bigger,too much BROWN ITS DOWN WITH A KIDS TAG with adults.THAT IS HAPPENING.

HR is big failure, in my opinion,it went TO FAR in wmu2g.:eek:

when you hunt miles and miles of land and maybe see 2 tracks,thats not good.

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I find It a bit surprising that so many guys that support ARs are opposed to herd reduction. I guess they don't realize ARs was the bait Alt used to get hunters to shoot more doe. I suppose they also never stopped to think that ARs in a stable herd ,also reduces the buck harvest and total harvest compared to a non-AR herd.


For example, if ARs save 30K buck , around 540 additional buck would be lost to non-hunting mortality each year. Also, since 30K buck were added to the herd that means there will be 30K fewer doe producing fawns, so the total sustainable harvest will drop by around 30K. And, since half of those fawns would be BB, the sustainable antlered buck harvest would decrease by over 10K buck ,just due to ARs. The number of bucks lost to these factors far out weigh those lost by junior hunters harvesting non-AR legal buck.

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

First of all, I want to know if you are actually intelligent or if you sit bythe computer with A dictionary looking for words you cannot pronounce and try to include them in your repiles.

Second, you are actually correct on something finally. I do not know enough about the rules for AR in NYS because I do not live or hunt where there are AR's.

Where you are wrong is that I do know a little something about deer biology. I do know that there has never been and will never be a successful study done to show that AR's improve the deer herd.

Last but not least, when someone comes out with a recipe for good tastingantlers then I might buy intothe philosophy of AR's. Until then, SHOOT EM' IF THEY GOT EM'!!

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

You are still ducking my question. How do you plan to get your NYC representatives to go along with your agenda?

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

NYC hunters..................:(

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

Hi all,

This has been an interesting thread & I have learned a few things here. The one question I have in regard to the studies in play here is,

has anyone taken in to account that there are far fewerhunters out in the woods? This must be effecting the herd. I would bet with fuel prices as high as they are, the Deer take this year will be at its lowest levels on record.

20 years ago when I started hunting you would see lots of folks in broncos and blazers heading upstate & opening day was like a war zone. Sadly today, I'm lucky to see 2 or 3 hunters driving up & only a few shots in the distance.. (it's bitter sweet actually, I'm seeing more deer now that there is nobody out hunting)

How do we increase the human herd in the woods? Complicating the rules of engagement will drive people away from hunting IMO.

Looking forward to responses.

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

southpaw,

bittersweet it is... as much as I like to have the entire mountain to myself I also like to see some fellow hunters along the way to share a story with once in a while.... seems like far and few between anymore.

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

sothpaw, i cant speak for ny.

in pa. in WMU2G,reason we dont have hunters like in 60s/70s is because of LACK OF DEER.

its not worth coming here, spending money,license etc if they dont see a deer for weeks.

HR went to far in wmu2g.

we used to fill camps, most are closed in deer season,whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

OVERHARVEST OF DOE AND KILLING FAWNS.ITS ALL ABOUT MEAT AND THATS COMING TO END.[:@]

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You are so right! It's a totally different ballgame than it was 20 or 30 years ago. I think the biggest problem is access to private land. It just isn't easy to find places anymore. Most of the bigger properties have been sold off and made into smaller lots. It isn't the same hunting on a 10 acre spread, eventhough lots of people do. Any bigger properties that remain have been leased off to clubs or larger groups of hunters. There is a good deal of public land in NY, but in general the hunting can be better on private land and there is always the safety issue that is in back of many hunters minds. Adding to all this is that younger people prefer to do other things than hunt. Hunting is dying out slowly in NYS in my opinion. Making rules more strict surely won't help matters, although that is what many trophy hunters want. They wouldn't mind getting rid of a good many hunters so they could have more to themselves. Unfortunately trophy hunting and greed sometimes go hand in hand.

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I'll chime in and get back later. Never will I be in favor of mandatory antler restrictions in NYS and I pass on smaller bucks. Don't even get me started on NYC. :D