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bsddaemon0
[/align]Your statement lacks foundation or facts. How could you possibly know what the legislature "thinks" of the NYSCC? People like you, who make statements like that, are usually the ones that never get involved or "try" to be part of the solution. Game management in this state is at best a "mess"! Tell us what YOU are doing to try and fix it.[/align]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/align]bluebird2[/align][/align]Highgrading is indeed a possible problem after several years of AR's. I agree. However, will you not agree that considering the state of the herd in NY, factoring in the lack of deer management by the state (over the years), that antler restrictions were a good place to start "better deer management" in New York. Believe me, if we could micro-manage the herd I would be all for that, but I don't think we will see that in our lifetimes.[/align]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/align]Steve863
[/align]I don't know what your malfunction is! You insult me and call me a liar. Then you apologize like a whiny old was woman. Believe me, I can handle discussion. I have written and spoken in several different forums across this state and have realized a modicum of mutual respect throughout the hunting and conservation community by my stances and knowledge. What are YOU doing to make deer conservation in NYS better. The NYS Conservation Council is manned by volunteers who represent thousands of sportmen and women across this state. Not everyone agrees with the chosen management tools but at least they are out there having their opinions heard. I have not heard you say an intelligible suggestion to enhance deer hunting or conservation management.[/align][/align]I am starting NYCHAM because I believe as sportsmen we need to do a lot more in the way of getting involved. That includes everyone -- the whole state! I localized it to my area because I believe it significant to know who in my area will rise up and have their voices heard! What are YOU doing?[/align][/align]PS - Steve - yesterday I was away dropping off one of my three sons at college in a neighboring state. You, in your small minded world thought that I left the forum and wasn't coming back. How pathetic is that? GET A LIFE![/align]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/align]RuLzU[/align][/align]This isn't about what I like on my property. This is about what is good for the deer herd. Yes,AR's are an inconvenience to some, but they provide asolution to a real conservation problem and guess what? They also happen to have a positive effect on the sport.[/align][/align]
"the rest of us are happy harvesting 1 1/2 - whatever year old deer"[/align][/align]Do you speak for a large group that are against antler restrictions?[/align][/align]In case you haven't noticed there are large groups of concerned sportsmen that are winning their fight to have AR's included into game management. They have organized and gotten involved. What are you doing?[/align][/align][/align]

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

Steve thats "wash" woman

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tsoc
[/align]Thank you for recognizing thatI am trying to do something constructive.[/align]

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

I realize that many people here at this forum think that I am looking to gain something from NYCHAM and I am --knowledge. I am NOT looking for money, notoriety or arguments. I am not starting my own website. I am looking for the exchange of ideas and information and a commitment to get involved. Thats it!
Anybody that does not agree with antler restrictions is welcome to show me a better, viable solution. But please have some scientific basis for expounding on it. I am not interested in conjecture or myopic opinions that start with "I want" or "I need". Tell me what you are doing for deer, deer management and conservation issues. Tell me what sacrifices you make to promulgate better hunting in New York.[/align]

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So you challenge us to "what are you doing"? What makes you think your way is the right or only solution? You think I attacked you, when you obviously can't handle anyones opinion that is contrary to yours. You are the one doing the attacking. Just re-read your replies to all the people who didn't agree with you. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the way things are now where any buck over 3" antlers is legal. As I've said before it is NO business of the DEC's to manage a deer herd for the antler size of the male deer. Why should any reasonable thinking person who understands that hunting is predominately a tool for the state to control deer numbers think that the antler size of the deer that get shot be of any importance?? Tell me, why?? Of course, it's important to someone who wants to kill trophy sized deer, but why would it be important to anyone else be they hunter or non-hunter?? I will await your answer here.

A few suggestions for possible change or improvement to the way things are managed would be to maybe allow only one buck per season to be shot by hunters no matter what weapon they hunt with. Monitor doe permits by WMU more carefully. I think this was poorly handled in recent years where too many permits were given out for some areas which then closed off some areas to doe hunting for several years straight. I also don't think damage permits should be given out at the asking. Too many deer get shot unnecessarily this way. I would also ban food plots and anyone hunting anywhere near them. Deer should be left wild and find food for themselves. If you feed deer like cattle, then they shouldn't be considered wild and free. And last but not least, to fight any move by movements like yours to establish AR rules throughout NYS!! I will fight tooth and nail to stop such practices. You can think all you want that it's a biologically proven way of managing deer, but to many of us it's nothing but a trophy hunters gimmick trying to make it easier for themselves to kill bigger racked deer. That is all there is to it. If you want to believe otherwise, knock yourself out, but don't think all hunters will be jumping on your bandwagon just because you believe in it!

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM
 

Martin,

Did you skip me on purpose?
You got 2 different Steve's here - both right of course:D
I tried to lay out several points that would be interesting to hear your take on - like the failed proposal of 2 years ago in CNY and the
info their studies showed.

Steve

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Sacrifices?? What great sacrifice is anyone making? We hunt deer because we like to, whether it's for trophy or meat. If you think you are making a great sacrifice by trying to implement AR's you're wrong. You want them implemented way more for your own benefit than for the deer. I'm sure you won't like me telling you this, but that's what it boils down to.

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There 1st has to be an agreement that change is needed!

My prior post listed what I feel - prove that sometning easier like managing herd size to local habitat can be done.

Then and only then start discussions on finetuning for age structure ONLY IF it can be shown that it is critical to the herd and not ANY special interest.

SteveBNY

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Nice try at changing the subject to avoid giving a direct answer. Notice that I did not agree or disagree with your support of QDMA. I said NYSCC is not taken seriously and backed up that statement by pointing out the legislature does not act upon your issues. Neither you nor anyone else reading this can dispute that given the public track record of failure which can easily be verified by looking at the legislative records all of which are available online for the world to see.

Your original statement was

Therefore, I would like to know what your plan is for getting your local NYC area representatives to move your agenda, whatever it may be, through the legislature. Before you respond with a lame, we're going to educate them type of answer, bear in mind that many of your NYC area representatives have been in office for 20, 30 years and by now I think they've heard all your arguments and just do not care what you think about anything. I want to know how you plan to advance your cause in spite of this.

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What a bunch of bologna