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RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG...AND SHARE SOME MED -WELL BBQ'ED BACK STRAPS

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM

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please enlighten me as to your knowledge of how the legislature perceives the NYS Conservation council.

You're not taken the least bit seriously. That's why despite all your whining you don't get anywhere. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong about QDMA or whatever. They know you won't back up your arguments with actions, and worse, in some cases will go back home and tell your constituents that those very same people in Albany who ignore and/or actively work against the best interests of hunters/sportsmen are their best friends in the world. You're creditability is all but nonexistant.

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ORIGINAL: NYC Hunt A M

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Are AR's the final answer? NO. Are they an integral part of the beginning phase of better deer conservation? ABSOLUTELY!

Anybody remember me saying this!

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SteveBNy
--nothing you have stated makes any logical sense.

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bsddaemon0 -- please enlighten me as to your knowledge of how the legislature perceives the NYS Conservation council.

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bluebird2 --not fair to put out information out of context from unnamed sources, however this information is consistent and I believe accurate. Which takes me back to the quote I made above. AR's are a beginning place for better deer management. Not the final place. Gentlemen, you need to look at the big picture in NY.

Here is the link to the article on the effects of ARs in Miss.

http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2427.pdf

Rack sizes decreased across all soil types in Miss. due to high grading. We can expect the same results in PA since our restrictions protect fewer 1.5 buck than in Miss. After 10 years of APRs in Miss. they added spread restrictions in an attempt to correct the problem.

ARs were tried in several western states but were repealed just as they were in WMU 118 in Mich. after just 4 years.

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You can fight as long as you want as hard as you want, but this country's laws are based on the best interests of it's inhabitants and those conclusions many times are chiseled out by a direct corrolation to science.

Sure, so you are certain that AR's will be law throughout NYS one day soon? The rest of us need to shut up and quit hunting, right? You just might be in for a surprise. As you can see from a small sample on this forum, there are plenty of people who think your beloved QDM theories are nothing but a bunch of bunk. As someone else mentioned your panties are obviously in a bunch that people are not agreeing with you on this. You should have known better than to post such stuff and think that you wouldn't get taken to task for it.

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QDM theories are nothing but a bunch of bunk

Doesn't matter if they are or not. That has nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of the Conservation Council or the sportsman community in general in advancing an agenda in the state legislature. As this thread demonstrates there are a lot of people who spend their time arguing their position on an issue and none willing to have an honest discussion on why they are ineffective in Albany. Until that happens you can argue all you want about QDMA or anything else until you turn blue in the face and it won’t matter one bit because the legislature does not take you or your issues seriously.

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You do have a good point. How long did it take NYS to lower the age for hunting deer? Finally happened this year. How about making rifles legal in many counties where there really wasn't any reason not to allow them? Just happened in the last couple of years. Bear hunting? Several new units opened up in the last couple of years also. I think things have started to move a bit faster as far as hunting is concerned compared to days gone by. They did implement AR's in a few units down in the Catskills two or three years ago and is still in effect this year. I just don't want this rule to spread to all areas. I think if the people against AR's were as vocal as those who wanted them implemented, you would never have had them implemented even in the few units they did. I for one would try to argue my point with the state if AR's were close to becoming law throughout the state. Like I've said before, in my opinion the DEC's job is to contol deer numbers and it should make absolutely NO difference to them how many antler points a buck has on his head when he happens to get shot. Antler size has nothing to do with controlling a deer population in our state or any state. Anyone who goes past the QDMA's first couple of pages on their website can clearly see what their theories are all about. If people want to apply these theories on their own land they can go right ahead. In my opionion the state has no business mandating it on everyone. Obviously the original poster of this thread can't seem to fathom any of this.

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Here is another interesting quote from Miss. regarding the results of their APS.

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MDWFP DEER COMMITTEE
Chad M.Dacus
Deer Program Coordinator
(601) 432-2177 • [email protected]
William T.McKinley
Regional Deer Biologist
(601) 582-6111 • [email protected]
Chris McDonald
Regional Deer Biologist
(601) 757-2313 • [email protected]
Why not the 4-Point Law?
Research conducted by the MDWFP and Mississippi State University indicates the 4-point law has reduced
the antler size of harvested 2.5 and 3.5 year old bucks across the state. Researchers and biologists believe the
4-point law allows the harvest of better quality yearling bucks, while protecting lesser quality spikes and 3-
point bucks. The result has been a decrease in antler size within age classes of older bucks. The combination
ofthe 4-point law, high hunting pressure, and lower reproduction has resulted in the over-harvest of bucks and
decreased antler size in deer herds across Mississippi.
To correct these problems, quality yearling bucks must be allowed to reach older age classes. Antler
restrictions that protect a high percentage of 1.5 year old bucks while limiting the high-grading of 2.5 year old
bucks are needed. This protection will prevent over-harvest of bucks and improve antler size as bucks get older.
These protected bucks will also improve skewed buck:doe ratios, resulting in a shorter breeding season. A
shorter breeding season will provide a more uniform fawn crop with regards to future body weights and antler
production.

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I agree with the two Steves, STEVENY and STEVE863. u like and believe QDM? do it on your OWN land. the rest of us are happy harvesting 1 1/2 - whatever year old deer. all the QDM is a bunch of **&$&# just another business. anyways.. to each his own. this is AMERICA

RE: NYC Hunting Alliance Movement - NYCHAM

The man who started this Post was baited and then jumped on! He certainly has a right to his opinion,he is involved and is spending his time trying to effect positive change.

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The man who started this Post was baited and then jumped on! He certainly has a right to his opinion,he is involved and is spending his time trying to effect positive change.

Baited?? He came on here proclaiming himself as a "huge proponent of "better deer management"". He was looking for people to organize and discuss things with so we were MORE than willing to discuss things with him since this is after all a discussion board. He obviously couldn't handle anyone disagreeing with him or QDM theories so he got p*$$ed and went home.