Thanks for all the unsolicited medical advice, but if you truly wanted to help me, you would provide the data that shows ARs improve the health of the herd, promote dominant breeding by superior and result in an increase in the rack size of both 1.5 and 2.5+ buck. Until someone provides that data I suppose I will have to suffer with my affliction that ARs are a failure and result in smaller rack sizes of 2.5+ buck.

Steve, believe it or not I can choose whomever I want to discuss a topic with, it has little or nothing to do with its content, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There are a few characters on this forum that I have chosen not to speak too because they have been aggressive, condescending or downright insulting. One lady, wrongly accused me of attacking her as narrow minded. Had she bothered to read that specific post she would have noticed that I addressed it to three specific people and she was not one of them. One person is demanding that I answer him as to the ways in which I will change the politics surrounding the NYC area. Steve, I neither feel obligated to respond nor do I want to respond to his aggressive insolence. I do not claim to have a magic wand. My introduction was about organizing hunters from that specific metropolitan area in an effort to have our voices heard by politicians. I do believe that as the expression goes "the squeaky wheel gets the most grease". My intention was to get sportsmen from my area involved in the process of protectin our interests. As many upstate NYers know, the politics coming out of NYC concerning gun owners rights and and conservation issues in general, sucks. I had hoped to get people involved enough to make sure that their voices are heard and for some reason that scared or befuddled people. My opinion about antler restrictions was my own and it was based on information gleaned from some of the most dedicated scientific minds in the world. I agree that AR's are a good starting point in many areas of NY- not all - towards healthier herd management. I have been accused of being a "trophy" hunter a "liar" and have had negative connotations attached to me, by you. I have not heard one intelligent suggestion or solution to better deer management come from you. Nor, do I expect too! Your attempts at being glib and sarcastic are not appreciated and for a grown man you still appear to have some growing up to do!

"If you truly believe I have a problem,would you be so kind as to provide the facts you have that show I have a problem that needs to be treated."

Bluebird it can not be UNSOLICITED if you asked me to provide the documentation. You need to forget antler restrictions and start worrying about yourself. Men of science will figure out the antler restriction debate without your keen insight. Please turn off the computer and go in search of help.

Once again you are wrong. I did not ask you for documentation or medical advise. My post was a reply to BT and then you jumped in with your unsolicited medical advice.

Men of science have already determined that ARs are the worst possible way to improve the age structure of the buck herd and if you would do a little reading about the results of 12 years of ARs in Miss. you might understand why and be able to discuss the topic in a civil manner with cheap shots and insults.

Bluebird we have now passed over a scary line. You are now delusional or just outright lieing? Read the posts! I hope its lieing because if delusional, you could be a physical danger to yourself.
I am not trying to insult youand I am notthrowing cheap shots at you, but your grasp on reality is minimal at best. Get some help, there is no shame in getting help but what a shame if you did not get help in time. No need to say goodbye - just go! In a few months, who knows, maybe we could all get together at the annual QDMA convention in Louisville. I'll personally introduce you to Dr. Kroll and Dr. Demarais.

It is obvious you are trying to insult me and you tried again in that sentence. To try a diagnose someone's mental state based on posts about ARs is certainly not within capabilities and is definitely attempt to insult that individual. That is especially evident since you refuse to provide any data to support your claim that ARs are a good way to increase the buck age structure.

BTW, Dr, Kroll didn't even list improving the age structure as a reason for implementing ARs and Dr. Demarais said ARs should only be used as a short term management option and he said that before he knew ARs reduced the rack sizes of 2.5+ buck due to high grading.

Do you understand the concept of high grading and do you know what percentage of 1.5 buck, Miss. ARs protected? Also, do you know what percentage of 1.5 Dr. Demarais said should be protected to avoid high grading?

Ok... now that you have refuted the countless points of view from nearly everyone on this forum, I ask you this... What do "you" think should be done to increase the quality of the antlers, health of the herd, health of the habitat, hunter satisfaction and whatever else "you" can think of to make our hunting conditions greater than what they are now.
I am asking you (bluebird) directly. I am not asking you for more twisted rhetoric that you have taken from others and manipulated tofulfill your needfor discrediting what so many others have with their "own" experience found to be beneficial. I am not and have not ever claimed antler restrictions alone will increase the health and quality of the deer herd. It by itself will not produce impressive bucks. However,antler restrictionswith a well thought out and properly implented doe harvest, habitat, quality food and mineral supply will.

Also, how can you say bigger mature buck do not breed more doe than yearling small racked buck. Doe breed with buck who will increase the liklihood of ensuring the survival of the species. A buck with a larger rack will stomp or gore the crap out of any adolescent buck attempting to breed the does in his territory. How many times have you seen a spike buck breed a doe when an 8 point is in vicinity. She won't stand stillfor a little buck if she has a chance to breed with a bigger buck. I can confidently say I spend more time in the woods than most, including you. I hunt all year round when nothing else is in season I hunt coyotes. I see deer interact on a weekly basis and NEVER witnessed a doe breed with a small buck when she can breed with a bigger "mature" buck.
Bear with me here... I am going to attempt to put this in perspective. Doe act very similar to hen turkeys during mating season. How many hens do you see following around a jake? How many do see with a longbeard gobbler? Why do you think that is? Do jakes get to breed? SURE! But not nearly as often as a Longbeard. Some bucks live to be 6 yrs old and are scrub buck their whole life because of inferior genetics.Maybe this will help.. would you rather sleep with a good looking woman or one with a cleft palate, hair lip and a lazy eye. Which would you prefer to have a child with? Why? You want your offspring to bear the same traits, right?

WHAT A BLOW HARD YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!! WHY DON'T YOU SAVE YOUR INSULTS FOR NYC, WHAT A JOKE!!!

Lost Horn -- thank you for that insightful commentary!

You are very WELCOME!!![:'(]