Have you all seen these pics as he matured then?

ron 3775 no but i bet you can post em' up!

I will put the link up for it so you can check it out.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2161170&mpage=1&key=Look&#21 61170


I know its not PA, but it is from an area that is not known for big bucks. I know that according to PA standards he is a shooter and probably would get shot at 1.5. Here is the big picture though, how can you educate a whole state to not shoot a 1.5 - 3.5 year old buck by field judging? You can't. What would be the easiest way to let a young buck go?

The only way is to ban buck hunting for a year! That is the absolute only way he might have a chance.

What needs done is like I said state wide education on aging deer. Example, last year I had two buck just like him at the age of 1.5 walk in during archery. I let them walk and ended up eating tag soup. I could have easily taken either one, but didn't. I knew they had potential. On the other hand last year I saw the biggest bodied buck that I have ever seen in my life. I would have guessed 5.5 or older. I could shot him because he was only a big wide 4 point. If I was able, I would have taken him in a heart beat. Now if we could only teach 500,000 other hunters that same mentality, the bucks could and would grow to have the great racks that we are all debating about.

But it can't be done because it would cost to much and people won't listen.

Of course, you need to keep in mind that the mentality of many people is that they just want to have fun in the woods and fill their tag no matter what it is. Different strokes for different folks.

He could be a very nice buck in a few years, the only way he would make it in Pa. would be a antler spread regulation, say 15" spread with a hefty fine if you shoot onethat is less,Idon't think that will ever happen in Pa.

Thanks for the nice pics of a good buck. But, since this buck had obvious potential at 1.5 , it doesn't tell us anything about how the average spike would develop. Before ARs 18% of our 2.5 buck weren't AR legal with a 3 pt. restriction and now it's probably over 20%.

While saving bucks sounds like a fine idea it comes with a high price, If ARs just protect 30K buck it reduces the total sustainable harvest by over 30K and the more buck that are saved the lower the harvest will be in a stable herd.

We had a 1.5 year old typical 10 point here in 2b a few years back.
We all passed on him, after we all spooked him to "educate" a little.
We wanted to get him through the gun seasons.
He made it to 3.5, at least we think it was the same buck.

I was thinking that the PAPGC would love that idea of rack width in addition to ARs. Heck anywhere a car was parked they'd get to write a ticket and generate funds for the PAPGC. Just another law enacted to generate more revenue for the PA Police Mame Commision. Please delete this whole conversation before they see the thread and run it up the flagpole to the sportsman and then tell us " but our primary concern remains with our mission-the conservation and responsible management of the wildlife resource for all Pennsylvanians". I thought sportsmen and women paid the bills to them, not pennsylvania?