PA antler restriction
#331
ORIGINAL: Buck Hunter 1
I was thinking that the PAPGC would love that idea of rack width in addition to ARs. Heck anywhere a car was parked they'd get to write a ticket and generate funds for the PAPGC. Just another law enacted to generate more revenue for the PA Police Mame Commision. Please delete this whole conversation before they see the thread and run it up the flagpole to the sportsman and then tell us " but our primary concern remains with our mission-the conservation and responsible management of the wildlife resource for all Pennsylvanians". I thought sportsmen and women paid the bills to them, not pennsylvania?
I was thinking that the PAPGC would love that idea of rack width in addition to ARs. Heck anywhere a car was parked they'd get to write a ticket and generate funds for the PAPGC. Just another law enacted to generate more revenue for the PA Police Mame Commision. Please delete this whole conversation before they see the thread and run it up the flagpole to the sportsman and then tell us " but our primary concern remains with our mission-the conservation and responsible management of the wildlife resource for all Pennsylvanians". I thought sportsmen and women paid the bills to them, not pennsylvania?

August 24, 2008
'Trophy buck areas' begin growth phase
By John McCoy
Staff writer- The Charleston Gazette
West Virginia's attempt to grow more trophy deer on selected public hunting areas should begin to bear fruit this year.
So says Paul Johansen, assistant wildlife chief for the state Division of Natural Resources. "It probably will take another year or two for hunters to enjoy the full effect of the regulations we put into place, but I'm certain we'll see more trophy bucks come out of those areas during the upcoming hunting season," he said.
DNR officials imposed special antler-width regulations in 2006 for four popular Mountain State hunting areas - Burnsville Lake in Braxton County, Bluestone Lake in Summers County, Beech Fork Lake in Wayne County, and Coopers Rock State Forest in Monongalia and Preston counties. Similar regulations had been put into effect earlier at the McClintic Wildlife Management Area in Mason County.
Under the regulations, bucks with antler spreads less than 14 inches - roughly the spread of the animal's outstretched ears - are off-limits. DNR Director Frank Jezioro had earlier challenged agency biologists to manage a handful of public areas specifically for trophy buck hunting, and the antler-size restriction was the route the biologists chose to take.
"Antler development depends on three factors: genetics, nutrition and age," Johansen explained. "There's not a lot we can do about the first two, but restricting hunters to a certain antler size or larger significantly increases the number of older-aged deer in a given population."
Under ordinary deer-hunting regulations, any buck with antlers more than 4 inches in length becomes fair game. Studies have shown that up to 80 percent of the bucks killed under ordinary regulations are just 11/2 years of age - too young to grow the trophy racks hunters value so much.
As recently as 1999, hunters at the McClintic WMA killed mostly smaller bucks. But in 2000, DNR officials imposed a 14-inch antler-width restriction to see what effect it might have on the deer herd.
"The first year, we had a definite decline in the number of hunters," Johansen recalled. "Hunters aren't dumb. They fully understand that when we put those regulations into effect, it would take a couple of years to grow the sort of deer they were after. They knew that most of the bucks on the area wouldn't be legal that first year, so they stayed away."
Their interest returned the next year, when people began seeing bucks with much larger antlers.
"As soon as people started seeing bucks with nice racks, interest picked back up. McClintic has been a very popular hunting spot ever since," Johansen said.
He expects a few trophy bucks to show up at Burnsville, Bluestone, Beech Fork and Coopers Rock this fall, and more in succeeding years.
"A significant number of 1 1/2-year-old bucks that weren't killed last fall will roll into this year's population as 2 1/2-year-olds," he said. "Those that don't have at least 14-inch spreads will roll over into the following year, and so forth. We'll see the number of legal bucks increase. If the scenario remains the same, the numbers of qualifying bucks and harvest will go up, and the number of hunters will go up, too."
Johansen believes that each of the five trophy-buck areas will develop what he calls a "clientele" of hunters.
"These will be people who are interested in a special kind of deer hunting," he explained. "They're willing to pass up a chance to kill smaller bucks in exchange for a chance at seeing and killing a real trophy."
Even if the five areas become as popular as DNR officials anticipate, chances are slim that antler-size restrictions will become widespread.
"We recognize that those restrictions aren't for everybody, and we don't want to impose them everywhere in the state," Johansen said. "But part of our charge is to provide a variety of hunting experiences, and providing trophy deer hunting is definitely in line with that strategy."
#333
I like where this is going! I would love if we could change the mentality here in PA from needing to fill your buck tag to show that you are a good hunter regardless of the size topassing immature buck and allow themto grow. Here isa buck I passed on the first Wednesday last year. Who knows if he made it but if he did he will be much nicer this year.


#336
Nontypical Buck
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ORIGINAL: NYC Hunt A M
Oh my, what a novel idea. Who would have ever thought that healthier deer would amount to larger antlers and more hunter interest? Bluebird how come you don't seem to have a problem with this concept?
Oh my, what a novel idea. Who would have ever thought that healthier deer would amount to larger antlers and more hunter interest? Bluebird how come you don't seem to have a problem with this concept?
BTW, ARs resulted in decreased rack size in Miss. a 2 out of 3 Units in Arkansas voted to repeal ARs. can you explain why that happened if ARs produce healthier deer?
#337
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
ORIGINAL: ron3775
What needs done is like I said state wide education on aging deer. Example, last year I had two buck just like him at the age of 1.5 walk in during archery. I let them walk and ended up eating tag soup. I could have easily taken either one, but didn't. I knew they had potential. On the other hand last year I saw the biggest bodied buck that I have ever seen in my life. I would have guessed 5.5 or older. I could shot him because he was only a big wide 4 point. If I was able, I would have taken him in a heart beat. Now if we could only teach 500,000 other hunters that same mentality, the bucks could and would grow to have the great racks that we are all debating about.
But it can't be done because it would cost to much and people won't listen.
What needs done is like I said state wide education on aging deer. Example, last year I had two buck just like him at the age of 1.5 walk in during archery. I let them walk and ended up eating tag soup. I could have easily taken either one, but didn't. I knew they had potential. On the other hand last year I saw the biggest bodied buck that I have ever seen in my life. I would have guessed 5.5 or older. I could shot him because he was only a big wide 4 point. If I was able, I would have taken him in a heart beat. Now if we could only teach 500,000 other hunters that same mentality, the bucks could and would grow to have the great racks that we are all debating about.
But it can't be done because it would cost to much and people won't listen.
MEAT doe/fawn hunters will not agree with you, it will cut into their DEER BOLOGNA and FILL THE FREEZER AT ALL COST hunters.

#338
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Looks like ARs are all about trophy hunting no matter what Alt and QDMA said. At least the guys in WVA were honest enough to admit it!!
Looks like ARs are all about trophy hunting no matter what Alt and QDMA said. At least the guys in WVA were honest enough to admit it!!
as you MATURE as hunter,sort of like AR program, letting buck MATURE he gets tougher to get.
as you MATURE as hunter, you need challenge,shooting doe or fawn when there are few is not good sportsmanship and its not challenge anyhow.
so, MATURE hunter passes on doe/fawns and small bucks, like under six point.
to do otherwise for MATURE hunter,would be DISGRACE in his or hers life.
so, YES you are right, we are trophy hunters but more than that we are CHALLENGE hunters that want it hard,not easy andbelieve a buck, doe and fawn should at least live a few years before being harvested.

thats not view of a lot of hunters,MEAT has distorted many hunters,GREED get deer before all gone,or filling tag because it cost me 6 dollars, yes, i heard that comment a lot.[:@]
#339
Nontypical Buck
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MEAT doe/fawn hunters will not agree with you, it will cut into their DEER BOLOGNA and FILL THE FREEZER AT ALL COST hunters.
#340
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From: PA.
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
If we didn't have enough of those hunters with that mentality , the PGC would never be able to control the herd.
MEAT doe/fawn hunters will not agree with you, it will cut into their DEER BOLOGNA and FILL THE FREEZER AT ALL COST hunters.
BEST habitat you will ever see for deer, corn,browse.grasses, acorns for 15 miles,maybe more.
try to find deer poo or buck rub,you wont.
talk to hunters, no deer.
why, because HR wiped them out.
its funny, when you pin down people why there are no deer there they will say,SPROUL,THEY LEAVE AND GO ONTO PRIVATELAND,,walk 15 miles to hide,YOU HAVE TO LAUGH.











