License Fee Increases in Pa
01-25-2002, 10:54 PM
#21
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Pinwheel
maybe this doesnt work for your gang but there are usually doe tags available for NR's somewhere after residents get a chance for one doe tag. Don't know about NH and what they make available to NR's but I think it is fair that resident hunters of any state get first shot at one doe tag before NR's. You might have to go to another county to get a doe tag after residents get theirs but there are usually some available in most parts of the state. I understand we all have our favorite spots but it is an option.
I hunt Illinois and will pay $295 for my archery license this year but Ill aint Pa!
Since they want does killed in October maybe the archery license could have two tags like Ill One for a doe and one good for either sex. As far as the price, you NR's pay enough right now but it's also right in line with the adjoining states around here.
maybe this doesnt work for your gang but there are usually doe tags available for NR's somewhere after residents get a chance for one doe tag. Don't know about NH and what they make available to NR's but I think it is fair that resident hunters of any state get first shot at one doe tag before NR's. You might have to go to another county to get a doe tag after residents get theirs but there are usually some available in most parts of the state. I understand we all have our favorite spots but it is an option.
I hunt Illinois and will pay $295 for my archery license this year but Ill aint Pa!
Since they want does killed in October maybe the archery license could have two tags like Ill One for a doe and one good for either sex. As far as the price, you NR's pay enough right now but it's also right in line with the adjoining states around here.
01-26-2002, 05:39 AM
#22
Typical Buck
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
You're right BTB, and I agree to an extent. Most of us agree that the residents should get first crack at doe tags, but the PGC could allot a certain number of non-resident tags for each county if they really need to play that game with the tags, which I feel is ludicrous in some parts of the state 'cause you are being over-run with does in certain areas, which Alt recently tried to eliminate with his recommendation of the early rifle season.
Up until recently there was this big squabble over Alt wanting a rifle season in October to eliminate unbred does. When asked about allowing archers to try and help to take them out he simply said there would not be enough killed to be effective. I believe they should at least be given the chance to help the cause, and bring the season back more into the way it used to be, by allowing hunters MORE freedoms, not less. They could even allow a week of doe in the beginning of rifle season too, this would also help, and effectively balance out the "they've got more freedoms than we do" syndrome. To me, it's not all rocket science as some feel it is, and depending upon where you go there are plenty of good deer in your state. (that's why we do not want to go elsewhere to another County!We've found our spot!) BUT, we would like the opportunity to go home with some meat for the freezer if one presents itself, we travel too far and spend too much money to watch deer after deer walk by. We are only there for a week! This past season I watched far too many does and lesser bucks walk by my stand that I could've harvested, they are like locusts in the area I hunt.Every year there are simply more does in this area since the lottery was established. And of course, it doesn't matter what kind of management program is established, when you have 25-man organized drives during rifle season, nothing much gets away in a given area except what you are NOT hunting for!(does and lesser bucks) Want bigger bucks? Curb that style of hunting for a year or two! Not trying to pick on anyone, just stating realistic options that would definately work.
Anyway, it'll be very interesting to see how many non-residents will actually hunt PA this year with the new additional restrictions.(not many, I'm willing to bet!) Residents cannot manage the herd without non-resident help,(no way) and the PGC cannot afford to lose out on the NR fees coming into the State and the money we spend while we're there. It's a shame, 'cause like I said I and my crew really love hunting there, beautiful State with friendly people. New York and IL however are looking better all of the time, unfortunately! Good shooting, Pinwheel 12
Up until recently there was this big squabble over Alt wanting a rifle season in October to eliminate unbred does. When asked about allowing archers to try and help to take them out he simply said there would not be enough killed to be effective. I believe they should at least be given the chance to help the cause, and bring the season back more into the way it used to be, by allowing hunters MORE freedoms, not less. They could even allow a week of doe in the beginning of rifle season too, this would also help, and effectively balance out the "they've got more freedoms than we do" syndrome. To me, it's not all rocket science as some feel it is, and depending upon where you go there are plenty of good deer in your state. (that's why we do not want to go elsewhere to another County!We've found our spot!) BUT, we would like the opportunity to go home with some meat for the freezer if one presents itself, we travel too far and spend too much money to watch deer after deer walk by. We are only there for a week! This past season I watched far too many does and lesser bucks walk by my stand that I could've harvested, they are like locusts in the area I hunt.Every year there are simply more does in this area since the lottery was established. And of course, it doesn't matter what kind of management program is established, when you have 25-man organized drives during rifle season, nothing much gets away in a given area except what you are NOT hunting for!(does and lesser bucks) Want bigger bucks? Curb that style of hunting for a year or two! Not trying to pick on anyone, just stating realistic options that would definately work.
Anyway, it'll be very interesting to see how many non-residents will actually hunt PA this year with the new additional restrictions.(not many, I'm willing to bet!) Residents cannot manage the herd without non-resident help,(no way) and the PGC cannot afford to lose out on the NR fees coming into the State and the money we spend while we're there. It's a shame, 'cause like I said I and my crew really love hunting there, beautiful State with friendly people. New York and IL however are looking better all of the time, unfortunately! Good shooting, Pinwheel 12
01-26-2002, 06:21 AM
#23
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: souderton penn. USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
i love the way the pgc always wants to raise the price of tags and create some new stamp.and alot of you hunters start saying that you want to pay more for stamps and tages,why? why? the pgc sends us out hunting every year with one hand tied behind our backs. and every body loves it that always blows my mind.i think that is why hunting is dieing off.every body wants a piece of the pie for free .the pie keeps getting bigger and pgc keeps takeing.and you guys want to keep makeing the pie bigger.
01-26-2002, 06:37 AM
#24
Boone & Crockett
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Kevin,
I think you summed up my "philosophy" on PA game management rather well with this statement...
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I think you summed up my "philosophy" on PA game management rather well with this statement...
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01-26-2002, 08:40 AM
#25
Senior Member
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Location: Indiana PA USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Pinwheel
As of this past season, Pennsylvania has a concurrent buck/doe season. You can shoot doe in buck season. Plus there was the junior/senior rifle/muzzleoader hunt in archery season.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
As of this past season, Pennsylvania has a concurrent buck/doe season. You can shoot doe in buck season. Plus there was the junior/senior rifle/muzzleoader hunt in archery season.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
01-26-2002, 08:49 AM
#26
Giant Nontypical
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Location: SW PA USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Pinwheel
agree 100% that since they want an October doe kill you should be given an opportunity to take a doe in archery anywhere in the state. I still wouldnt want a resident to be bump out a resident for his first doe tag. Thats not an issue that should pit residents against non residents. We residents should point out that an archery doe tag for NR's could enhance their goals without penalizing residents. How would you feel about the "earn a buck" ideas that have been tossed around here?
agree 100% that since they want an October doe kill you should be given an opportunity to take a doe in archery anywhere in the state. I still wouldnt want a resident to be bump out a resident for his first doe tag. Thats not an issue that should pit residents against non residents. We residents should point out that an archery doe tag for NR's could enhance their goals without penalizing residents. How would you feel about the "earn a buck" ideas that have been tossed around here?
01-26-2002, 09:49 AM
#28
Typical Buck
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Frank-
Thanks, I'm glad others DO see at least some of it the same as I do.
BTB--
I have no problem whatsoever with the "earn-a-buck" program, in fact I think in some areas of PA it should become mandatory. This would not only take out a definitive number of does, but allow some bucks to live through the season and possibly become "trophies", and also allow those looking for meat a chance to fill their freezer at the same time. PA for alot of us non-residents has always been a "meat-run" moreso than a trophy hunt anyway, and by implementing more and more restrictions, tags to try and get, and hoops to jump through, it effectively defeats our primary purpose and drives us to spend our money in other states.I really don't think that this is what the PGC intends to do, as the NR fees make up alot of their overall revenue.
I firmly believe that in light of the Alt-acknowledged problem of having too many does throughout the state, all archers should be given the opportunity to harvest either one or the other, OR one doe first, THEN a buck of 3 points or better. If we cannot effectively eliminate the amount of does they feel need to be taken out, then implement a three or five or whatever day additional doe season for rifle. MORE freedoms, not less, as stated before, and the herd will eventually balance itself out. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12
Thanks, I'm glad others DO see at least some of it the same as I do.
BTB--
I have no problem whatsoever with the "earn-a-buck" program, in fact I think in some areas of PA it should become mandatory. This would not only take out a definitive number of does, but allow some bucks to live through the season and possibly become "trophies", and also allow those looking for meat a chance to fill their freezer at the same time. PA for alot of us non-residents has always been a "meat-run" moreso than a trophy hunt anyway, and by implementing more and more restrictions, tags to try and get, and hoops to jump through, it effectively defeats our primary purpose and drives us to spend our money in other states.I really don't think that this is what the PGC intends to do, as the NR fees make up alot of their overall revenue.
I firmly believe that in light of the Alt-acknowledged problem of having too many does throughout the state, all archers should be given the opportunity to harvest either one or the other, OR one doe first, THEN a buck of 3 points or better. If we cannot effectively eliminate the amount of does they feel need to be taken out, then implement a three or five or whatever day additional doe season for rifle. MORE freedoms, not less, as stated before, and the herd will eventually balance itself out. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12