License Fee Increases in Pa
01-22-2002, 07:11 AM
#11
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: erie pa USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Lochorns,You do have a good point about a M/L
permit being used anywhere in the state
Which does make it harder to track where
the deer are actualy being harvested.I agree with smaller units but, even with them a better system has to be put into place like check stations which could consist of letting
conv.stores pro shops etc. get involved to save the PGC money and get a better account of how many and where the deer are being harvested.I stated before I would pay more for my general license, it is not a bad price
some people go out and spend more one night then what they pay for their hunting license.
I think $100 might be hard for familys with
a couple of jr hunters to come up with but maybe raise the price alittle on a jr license.
permit being used anywhere in the state
Which does make it harder to track where
the deer are actualy being harvested.I agree with smaller units but, even with them a better system has to be put into place like check stations which could consist of letting
conv.stores pro shops etc. get involved to save the PGC money and get a better account of how many and where the deer are being harvested.I stated before I would pay more for my general license, it is not a bad price
some people go out and spend more one night then what they pay for their hunting license.
I think $100 might be hard for familys with
a couple of jr hunters to come up with but maybe raise the price alittle on a jr license.
01-22-2002, 07:33 AM
#12
Senior Member
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Location: Indiana PA USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
I have an idea. It might sound good to me, but I know that there are probablly a lot of things that I am not thinking about, but here it is anyways.
Why not make a junior liscence free. Make them pay for the extra tags, but make the overall tag free. This will get ALOT more kids into the sport. Then raise the price of the senior tags, and extra tags a little bit. Also, if the doe tag increases in price, this might cause people who buy tags to "save the does" to do this less. I don't think that I would buy a bunch of doe tags at 15 bucks each just to keep them.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
Why not make a junior liscence free. Make them pay for the extra tags, but make the overall tag free. This will get ALOT more kids into the sport. Then raise the price of the senior tags, and extra tags a little bit. Also, if the doe tag increases in price, this might cause people who buy tags to "save the does" to do this less. I don't think that I would buy a bunch of doe tags at 15 bucks each just to keep them.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
01-22-2002, 08:04 AM
#13
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Lehigh County PA USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
lochorns,
Good point about being able to use a muzzleloader stamp to take a doe anywhere in the state. I always wondered why they weren't required to buy an "area specific" doe tag like the rest of us. I do remember when they were given the choice and they chose to not be included with everyone else on the county specific doe tags in exchange for having that earlier deadline for tags....
I wonder if any of the "legislators" have given this some thought. You may have just found a major loop hole in one of the new proposals.
I do understand what you were referring to before. How can folks complain about "wasting" money on a muzzleloader tag that they may never use at one moment and in the next be stating that they would be willing to be more money for any license.
I can't answer for anyone else on this one....but, personally, I have never purchased a muzzleloader stamp (for my own reasons) so, I have never complained about the early deadline......but, as I stated above, I wouldn't mind paying more for any hunting license provided the money generated by the increase was used directly for providing more areas to hunt for more hunters. (that revised statement would then include public land and the system you mentioned earlier).
Edited by - PABowhntr on 01/22/2002 09:09:41
Good point about being able to use a muzzleloader stamp to take a doe anywhere in the state. I always wondered why they weren't required to buy an "area specific" doe tag like the rest of us. I do remember when they were given the choice and they chose to not be included with everyone else on the county specific doe tags in exchange for having that earlier deadline for tags....
I wonder if any of the "legislators" have given this some thought. You may have just found a major loop hole in one of the new proposals.
I do understand what you were referring to before. How can folks complain about "wasting" money on a muzzleloader tag that they may never use at one moment and in the next be stating that they would be willing to be more money for any license.
I can't answer for anyone else on this one....but, personally, I have never purchased a muzzleloader stamp (for my own reasons) so, I have never complained about the early deadline......but, as I stated above, I wouldn't mind paying more for any hunting license provided the money generated by the increase was used directly for providing more areas to hunt for more hunters. (that revised statement would then include public land and the system you mentioned earlier).
Edited by - PABowhntr on 01/22/2002 09:09:41
01-22-2002, 09:04 AM
#14
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Location: erie pa USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Buckmagnet,That is a good idea about having a jr. license for free and paying for all other tags.Our fishing license here in Pa is based on that.You don't need a license untill you are 16yrs old.There are alot of young kids today who do not have two parents
some with only their mother who does not hunt and is finding it hard to make ends meet.I would hate to see a 12yr.old not be able to hunt only because he couldn't afford a jr. hunting license.I would be willing to pay more for my adult license and my son is not a jr. anymore.Maybe letting a jr.hunter shoot a doe in oct. or using a buck tag to shoot a doe is not enough you have to get them out there first.
some with only their mother who does not hunt and is finding it hard to make ends meet.I would hate to see a 12yr.old not be able to hunt only because he couldn't afford a jr. hunting license.I would be willing to pay more for my adult license and my son is not a jr. anymore.Maybe letting a jr.hunter shoot a doe in oct. or using a buck tag to shoot a doe is not enough you have to get them out there first.
01-22-2002, 11:25 AM
#15
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Location: Reading PA USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Actually the lack of county specific tags for muzzleloaders in the extended season isn't a loophole. It was considered and found that the number of deer killed by muzzleloaders after Christmas is not significant in the management of the herd.
Phil
Phil
01-22-2002, 06:45 PM
#16
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Terry, if you read what I said you'll see I was only talking about the extended season. An antlerless tag is required in the October muzzleloader season. The extended flintlock season isn't really a management tool. The October muzzleloader season is intended to be one.
Phil
Phil
01-23-2002, 11:31 AM
#17
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Location: BIRDSBORO PA. USA
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
HOW IS EVERYONE DOING
I DON'T MIND THE PRICE OF A LICIENCE IN PA . BUT I GET TO HUNT A LOT, WHAT ABOUT THE HUNTERS THAT ONLY GET TO HUNT ON SATURDAYS, OR MAYBE JUST THE 1ST MONDAY OF RIFLE, YOU GET MY POINT, I WOULD BEWILLING TO PAY MORE FOR MY LICIENCE IF SUNDAY HUNTING WAS ALOUD BUT AS IT STANDS I WON'T PAY MORE TILL I SEE WE GET SOMETHING IN RETURN FOR IT.
LETS HUNT
I DON'T MIND THE PRICE OF A LICIENCE IN PA . BUT I GET TO HUNT A LOT, WHAT ABOUT THE HUNTERS THAT ONLY GET TO HUNT ON SATURDAYS, OR MAYBE JUST THE 1ST MONDAY OF RIFLE, YOU GET MY POINT, I WOULD BEWILLING TO PAY MORE FOR MY LICIENCE IF SUNDAY HUNTING WAS ALOUD BUT AS IT STANDS I WON'T PAY MORE TILL I SEE WE GET SOMETHING IN RETURN FOR IT.
LETS HUNT
01-23-2002, 11:37 AM
#18
Boone & Crockett
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Nice to meet you BH49.
Shhh, don't say "<font size=1>Sunday Hunting</font id=size1>" in PA.....dem is fightin' words for some folks....
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Edited by - PABowhntr on 01/23/2002 12:38:01
Shhh, don't say "<font size=1>Sunday Hunting</font id=size1>" in PA.....dem is fightin' words for some folks....
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Edited by - PABowhntr on 01/23/2002 12:38:01
01-25-2002, 03:45 PM
#20
Typical Buck
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RE: License Fee Increases in Pa
Guys-
You think you've got it tough as residents, think about if you were a NON resident PA bowhunter! Our fees have gotten pretty extravagant, and now by the looks of the preliminary approvals on the PGC website, it looks like it will be even tougher for us to take a deer home!
10 years ago we could take a deer of either sex in PA on one tag for less than $100,(If I remember correctly) Then it changed to a lottery system for doe tags because they wanted to generate more money. Slightly more money for us to spend,yes, but SOMETIMES we even got a tag. Now, you cannot even begin to think you are going to get a tag if you are a non-resident in certain Counties, because they are all "sucked up" before we even get a chance! This is just not right,IMO. PLUS, we now will more than likely have to shoot ONLY a buck with three or more points, and let all does and lesser bucks walk by, (all 100's of them!) and STILL spend more than we did 5-10 years ago. "Stamped and tagged" to death as somebody said doesn't begin to touch it, more like "fleeced and raped"! And you know what, the money doesn't even really matter to me, that's not what I'm angry about. I'm just very upset because I really love hunting your beautiful state,(as I have for close to 20 years) and there are just so many millions of deer running around there compared to everywhere else in the East......(sorry Mr. Alt, but you can't take credit for that one!) I also can't see the seperate Archery doe tag issues in the midst of talking about having a doe-kill rifle season in the beginning of October!(which thankfully may have been avoided THIS year) Allow the archers to take either a doe or 3 point or better buck! It will certainly help with the pulling out of SOME of the unbred does that Alt was looking for, even if it isn't the "be-all, end-all". Seems a shame to have them all get hit by cars out on Interstate 80 and becoming not only a safety issue but also a stinking pile of tractor-trailer schmeg on the side of the road instead of feeding my and others' families for the winter, all because someone feels they need to play God and Mother Nature all rolled into one! Sorry for the rant, so far it looks like I'll be missing this year. Too bad, I and my friends really love the area that we hunt in, and there are alot of nice people we've met there, as well. Good luck and good hunting to all in 2002 wherever you go. Pinwheel 12
You think you've got it tough as residents, think about if you were a NON resident PA bowhunter! Our fees have gotten pretty extravagant, and now by the looks of the preliminary approvals on the PGC website, it looks like it will be even tougher for us to take a deer home!
10 years ago we could take a deer of either sex in PA on one tag for less than $100,(If I remember correctly) Then it changed to a lottery system for doe tags because they wanted to generate more money. Slightly more money for us to spend,yes, but SOMETIMES we even got a tag. Now, you cannot even begin to think you are going to get a tag if you are a non-resident in certain Counties, because they are all "sucked up" before we even get a chance! This is just not right,IMO. PLUS, we now will more than likely have to shoot ONLY a buck with three or more points, and let all does and lesser bucks walk by, (all 100's of them!) and STILL spend more than we did 5-10 years ago. "Stamped and tagged" to death as somebody said doesn't begin to touch it, more like "fleeced and raped"! And you know what, the money doesn't even really matter to me, that's not what I'm angry about. I'm just very upset because I really love hunting your beautiful state,(as I have for close to 20 years) and there are just so many millions of deer running around there compared to everywhere else in the East......(sorry Mr. Alt, but you can't take credit for that one!) I also can't see the seperate Archery doe tag issues in the midst of talking about having a doe-kill rifle season in the beginning of October!(which thankfully may have been avoided THIS year) Allow the archers to take either a doe or 3 point or better buck! It will certainly help with the pulling out of SOME of the unbred does that Alt was looking for, even if it isn't the "be-all, end-all". Seems a shame to have them all get hit by cars out on Interstate 80 and becoming not only a safety issue but also a stinking pile of tractor-trailer schmeg on the side of the road instead of feeding my and others' families for the winter, all because someone feels they need to play God and Mother Nature all rolled into one! Sorry for the rant, so far it looks like I'll be missing this year. Too bad, I and my friends really love the area that we hunt in, and there are alot of nice people we've met there, as well. Good luck and good hunting to all in 2002 wherever you go. Pinwheel 12