That statement pretty much makes your point of veiw moot, as in PA we have a million hunters.

Can I just ask a simple question on a different subject relating to this topic?.........Seriously without a battle:

Why do guys from Ohio, Virginia, Arkansas, Canada, New England and everywhere else all seem to care more about PA legalizing crossbows than PA itself?

Sorry to single out one guy but ........For example, I just noticed "Awshucks" is a registered member of Huntingpa.com and every post there is about crossbows?
Why? How is this affecting YOUR hunting or YOUR daily life? (generalizing with those questions for the whole group)

I don't get it? I couldn't care less if Arkansas or Virginia or Ohio or Canada legalized howitzers or mustard gas for deer season so why do you guys follow this topic around and the happenings in a another state completely unlike yours, that you have absolutely no knowledge of like your waiting to see the results of the Powerball drawing?

I'm just curious, honestly it seems like such an odd thing for someone from another state or countryto even be concerned about let alone swarm to the threads and topics like it's a war.
Let the guys in PA hash this out, we are unlike ANY other state in the country and absolutely cannot be compared to a place like Arkansas. Good lord there are probably more people living within 50 miles of me than in the entire state of Arkansas. (No offense I'm sure its a beautiful place!)

I just find it almost bizarre.

We find it just as bizarre that people can be so greedy and mis-informed on xbows. The you don't belong here or it's none of your business it just a way of wishing someone wasn't bringing in facts and information to counter those that want to keep others out of the woods. Sorry but every time I read a "they're not bows" coming from a state that allows compound bows I and others will respond. We're here to give proof that xbows will and do work. You have proof that it won't? Same arguments were given here back when the process for their inclusion began. It's been proven they were wrong.
Maybe you weren't around when the same things were said about compounds or maybe you forgot. Doesn't look like they harmed bow hunting. Neither will the xbow.

Gosh Matt, kind of a "bizarre" statement coming from a Moderator. I thought this was an open discussion board. What do you want folks to do, limit their comments to only those topics directly relevant to their home state. []

Every state has unique qualities, but also shares many similarities with other states. I for one can think of a number of similarities between PA and my home state of Illinois. Furthermore, anyone who follows the often highly entertaining threads on Pensylvania can quickly see that even the PA folks acknkowledge significant diversity throughout the state in terms of availability of public land, deer populations, quality of local game management, etc. in their own area. I've seen plenty of posts of PA people complaining about few deer and too many hunters only to have another person living nearby contradict that assertion. So, why paint the state as some homogenous entitity that is totally unique.

I'm unique.

I know Bawa, and if you show up here on Friday, I will have a T-shirt for you that says "Winner" on it. Kevin already has his.

Bizarre? You have everyone BUT the guys in PA telling us what we need and want and what will work and I'm the bizarre one for wondering WHY?

I wasn't the one telling people to keep their opinions to themselves. Its ok for you guys to have an opinion but because I'm a moderator and a rep for a company I'm not allowed and my opinions are automatically not PC and idiotic and intolerant.
Your opinions are your opinions but somehow yours are right and mine and the rest of PA bowhunters are wrong because a vocal minority tells us they are?

And you know darn well it's more than that. This topic and PA is actively seeked out by the same people time and again.
Its an honest question, why do guys who have no stake in what we do here feel the need to almost stalk this topic and fight it tooth and nail?

Well, i can can come on this site and consistently see people who aren't from Illinois debating the pros and cons of high Non-Resident deer permit fees there. Ditto for NR Elk permits in western states. Lots of other examples. Everybody has their pet topics that they like to gripe about. Why is this one suddenly such a problem for you?

I wouldnt think that i would have to point this out since it is just good common sense. But since the crossbow issue is only now being debated in Pennsylvania, it stands to reason that one want to hear and consider the perspectives from people who live in other states where this issue has already been addressed. One can learn from the experiences of others.

And based on what i have seen in the various threads on this topic, it is the anti-crossbow folks who are the vocal minority. Even a lot of your fellow trad/compound bow hunters don't seem to have your back on this one. [:@]

I've tried to stay out of this one but I can't. I am against cross bows in regular archery season in any area, special regs or not.I startedbow hunting back in 1976 with a Browning recurve. Ilost interest after a few years and gun hunted only. The lastthree years thatI did gun I did so with pistol only to make it more challenging and rewarding for me. In 1999 I thought long and hard aboutwhat I wanted in regards to hunting and how Iwasgoing to goabout fulfilling my desirer.I wanted three things:
[ol][*]More time in the woods. [Up till now I got a week up at deer camp.][*]A greater personal challenge.[*]Solitude. I was tired of the orange army.[/ol]
I realized that getting back into bow hunting would fulfillmy needs. And it did. Now to the point of myrambling.I had but one place to huntuntil last year and that was public land. There was just enough room that one couldhunt without be intruded on orwithout intruding on someone else.Then came cross bows into the special regulations area. The parking area went from 4 or5 vehiclesduring bow seasonto 12 to 18. At the end of the daywhen they come back to the parking area 8 out of ten peopleare carrying cross bows.There was no where you could go to get away from being walked on.Am I being selfish? To a degree,yes. But why the huge surge of cross bows hunters. Ifthey wanted more time afield why hadn't they takenupbow hunting? I can only assume that they perceivedthat thecross bow would be easier to use than a bow. I believearchery season shouldbe bow only. Just my opinion. Ken

Do you have any data or actions that have directly resulted from xbow inclusion? I mean negative issues that were due to their use. I'll save you the trouble of looking, there is none. So that makes all anti-xbow arguments purely opinion doesn't it? The it won't work here is like the not drawing a bow argument - it has no bearing on the real world impact of xbow use.

I bet if someone came on here from another state that had xbows in archery with some negative news they would be welcome with open arms and raised to the level of the second coming.