[quote] From Archer58
I'm very sorry to question your credentials, but you don't seem to have graduated high school , let alone P.S.U.

I know several people at the P.S. Dubois campus that are Wildlife students and their school of thought is that the P.G.C. is correct in their management practice's.Penn State works closely with the P.G.C.
I am questioning weather you are what you say you are.

Weather or Whether

Tell you the truth i dont think that i can trust your credentials. You dont know anything about PG and penn state. What do they work together on.........Nothing. I Know joe hummer very well....Do you Know who he is???What is your belief on allowing bowhunting in Treasure lake...I Know what Penn State suggested do you. I killed some nice bucks near reynoldsville. The four point restriction has produce some massive whitetails in that area.

Texas has amazing deer management. ITs a desert. THe state produces some of the biggest whitetails in the world.Their is no reason why are state can't be better. We have Feed and genetics. WE just need age..Why dont we let them young bucks grow up....I like the 4 point rule i would like to see it get expanded

rybohunter
Your relative's must have been big into the Passenger pigeon. THey thought ..ah there's millions upon millions of them lets shoot them all. LAst time i checked the passenger pigeon population has been thriving? OR how about the elk Population in PA.....Dont give me that bull crap about they are thriving either. These elk that we have now are not the same species that pennsylvania historically had. We introduced THem-After we wiped out the entire population. THeir was not a single one remaining....Or what about the beaver. We wiped them out too. AllI am saying is to keep an open mind and dont believe everythig you here. I misspelled that for you-cause i know everybody here's a grammar major...Hope you didnt miss it hear.I not saying that we will make deer exctint, just that it's a poor management strategy

Gobbler G i commend you...You know what you are talking about.

Gobbler, I don’t care if a guy complains about not seeing deer as long as he doesn’t bash the PGC as trying to decimate or eliminate deer or being in a conspiracy, etc etc.
I think they should leave the conspiracy theories alone and do some real learning about wildlife biology.

Your biologists must have been talking about young “bucks” dispersing.
Doe fawns are not known to disperse and I think it is only about 30% of immature bucks disperse. That dispersal of yearling bucks happens as an act of nature and is not hunting related.

I doubt the “void” thing, but I’m not sure what you are saying a “void” is. It is not a wildlife biology term that I am aware of.
And any time you remove “any animal” it creates a temporary void, not matter what the age of that animal is.
A “short term void of deer” is called “management by hunting.” A complete void is not even a reasonable reality to imagine.

30% are you serious....So you are pretty much saying that the entire deer population is inbred..Not True...Immature Buck dispersal is much greater than that....So what you are truly saying is that you can eliminate deer in areas because deer truly dont disperse..Are you sure that you are not contradicting yourself????I never said they were trying to eliminate all the deer in the entire state...Just certain area's are really suffering from this Deer management practice. Doe fawns usually live within 1 mile of their birth site. Buck Disperse-Usually at 1.5 years of age. THey have been know to travel as much as 22 miles away from their birth site.

The true fact is that when you harvest a mother...The fawns tend to stay in that area which drastically reduces dispersion. A DOe mother is like a mother bird...The mother kicks them out of the nest. Or so i have heard from the scientific community.

THats buck Dispersion. i dont think it applies to doe dispersion

GIVE IT UP! YOU LOSE!

Someone watched the latest episode of Deer and Deer Hunting TV and is now an expert. That's funny. He got his information from the last show or the one before last I have them taped I'll have to look at them. Charles Alsheimer was talking about the very issue, but this guy has taken it a bit out of context to fit his arguement.