Tis you who needs to pay attention.

I never heard Alt say, at his seminars or on the video, that he PA and him would be pioneers of QDM.
That simply is not true.
For a fact, he often clarified; “this is “not a trophy program, but rather a program to bring a natural balance to the deer herd and to allow the habitat to recover toward achieving a healthier herd.”
You need to knock off the imagination and distortion of what actually is fact and quit making things up.

You obviously are a youngster and I understand the desire to appear to be knowledgeable, but modifying facts just ain’t a good way to accomplish that.
If you have no problem with the killing of does, then what is your gripe?

MeatHunter2
"Great" login name. I know Lenny is not a biologist. But has worked close with many of them for his writings. And he is one of the best photographers.

NorthPA
My points on my first post that stared all this bull between you and I are:
1.How hunters are bashing other fellow hunters when they talk about seeing few or no deer in their area's. And I said that some of the gripes are legit.
2. With a new article I read,written by a proclaimed top biologist in deer management, stated: in recent research he experienced a "TEPORARY" void of deer in an area when harvesting mature doe early. This is what I read, "FACT."
Not modifying facts. I posted this on behalf of the person who stated of not seeing deer.
3 Again, many are giving Al Brothers of TEXAS, being the pioneer of QDM "FACT."
4 My buddies and I went to see Alt once, he made the comment WE can be the pioneers on how deer should be managed, "FACT"
5 Yes roadkills should be counted into how we harvest deer. But should these non-normal variables that I mentioned also count, My opinion.
6 Management Units are to big!, my opinion
I hoped I cleared this up for you NorthPA

You Pa guys complaining abouthow many deer you can kill would flat out puke[:'(]if you looked at how many deer we can legally kill in Md. I know of 36, but you could actually kill 42 if you hunted allegany and garret counties with that?? Also if you happened to go to pg county its unlimited does!! Now thats quality deer management!! Haha[&:]

I don’t care about Texas QDM. That point was over-discussed.
I don’t care about what a so-called top biologist said, because I doubt that is what was really said, in the context you put it in.
Now you’ve change what you heard Alt said to “manage deer.”
Those variables you mentioned, “ARE” taken into the count.

I hope I cleared this up.
I’m going hunting.

How has this management worked out looking back??

Pay attention to the guy from maryland. I hunted there for about 15 years, maybe longer. When Maryland went to the liberal deer slaughter, the hunting where I went was done in 3 years. In the beginning the herd did need thinning. I used to hunt Indian Springs and there were always plenty of deer killed there. The last time I hunted there was on a first day of rifle. Around noon time I heard 2 fast shots. That was it the whole day. The Doe tags used to be a lottery. I still hunt in West Virginia, and they have gone the same way. The WMA I hunt went from no doe tags to lots of doe tags. It slowed the buck kill down like crazy.
In PA I have seen areas go dead. Places you could always count on seeing doe have no sign of them and I am not talking 100 yards or less off a road. It is getting better. Nobody wants to hunt the mountains anymore, so it is taking the pressure off some of the deer. I did a slow hunt across one of the mountains here the last day of rifle and did not see a single hunter and did have a deer get up and sneak off on me. I don't know what it was, but I would not doubt that there were more that did the same and I did not catch them.

The thing that pisses me off is the way the Game Commission talks down to hunters as if we are retarded children. Over the years they have told plenty of lies and they simply deny it.
That aside, there are still plenty of deer in PA, they are just not accessible to most hunters.

I rnt tardid.

Is NorthPa's PC screwed up or is it mine?

YOU KNOW WHAT PISSED ME OFF THIS WEEKEND ABOUT SOME OF THE DEER HUNTERS IN PA??? IT'S THE SLOBS THAT STOLE MY TRAILCAM FROM ONE OF MY HUNTING SPOTS!! I wonder if that Hunter cares about QDM????

Hatchet Jack