t in pa3, DCNRdoes not stock mexicans but they did use mexicans to plant trees in sproul burn areas.so, dont laugh,dcnr already beat you to it.did you know they put sewage from philadelphia in that area.trucks loads of it. boy, berries grow there.doug, now ,go ahead and say that is rumor,ha.

sproul,
Mexican workers are everywhere. They do the work the rest of us won't do.

Reminds me of a bear trip in Maine years ago. I was a bit confused on which forest road to take at an intersection. The only truck to pass by stopped when I waved so I could as for directions. A mexican man got out and proceeded to listen to my question and then express he does not understand english. After a little game of charades my point was made and he directed me in the right direction. Mexicans are heavily employed even in the north Maine woods.

Ah, Mexicans a whole nother topic, I'll save the thread and won't state how I feel about em!! I'll leave it at that, your welcome!!

Heck ya they used Mexicans to plant trees.They're the only ones not afraid of the mountain lions they stocked.

Maybe someone should tell the PGC about cheap Mexican laborers. That way they could cut their expenses by having the Mexicans erect the exclosures and allow their higher paid food and cover employeesdo something more constructive.

douge,sad you never saw one .when you do, you will not laugh.then, you will be like rest of us, made fun of,called liers, stupid, dont get out of car,dont know how to hunt, not a college grad.just stupid OLD SCHOOL people .i do have to laugh when i hear some of the info on here too.still, no way anyone can convince me that 17 deer died of starvation in winters we are having. i dont care how many bones that psu disects. anyhow, keep info coming, its interesting,just ,BE COOL.

I actually think that in most cases,people aren't lying.They prbably really believe they saw a mountain lion.Some even take pictures but they've all turned out to be bobcats.Some see black ones.That simply shows a total lack of knowledge about what they're looking at.One of my best friends swears up and down that he saw one.I don't think he's lion but I don't believe that's what he actually saw.I do think thatthere's a distict possibilitythat we could have some in Pa but I don't believe for one minute any state agency put them here.There's a lot of crazy eco-extremists out there.It wouldn't surprise me one bit is a group of these lunatics were actually letting some go.However,in order for a population to take a foothold,it usually takes a huge effort for that to happen.When one shows up dead,I'll be a beliver.Until then,I'll remain convinced that most people are simply seeing what they want to see in their own mind.

In 2004 we had several feet of snow pack in this part of the state with a heavy crust on top.The snow was past my thighs from the end of January all the way into march.When a heavy crust develops and there's little to no browse,what do you expect the deer to eat?Mobility was extemely limited for the deer that winter and they had to expend alot of extra energy to move.If you don't think that had any effect on the deer,you have no idea what you're talking about.Once again,it isn't even the deer that died that made a big difference.It was the decreased fawn recruitment that had the biggest impact.Are you saying that during a bad winter,in poor habitat fawn recruitment can't be affected?If so,most biologists with an education and experience in the woods would strongly disagree with you.Last year we had a mild winter and we had another mild one this year.Derr numbers were up this past year and they'll be up again this year as well.I saw my first set of twins this morning in my yard.

i am using short comments now. doug, if we were allowed to shoot cougars, you would have a lot of bones to look at and study.

T in PA3 first of all for the record Mexicans are here and not in the numbers you state they are or for the fact that " the work most of us won't do! " And no Mexicans are not as heavely employed as you discribed
and most of us here do not want them here ! They work for penneys that nobody else will ! Because you happened along a small group of them doesn't mean they are " heavily employed ".

I'm not here to convince anyone but, here our deer herd has been dropping for years. The biologists told us during the big clear cuts here that this will be good for our deer. When the trees start growing the deer will have more food and cover. Well those days have come and gone and guess what our deer has dropped alot from those days. Now remember this info was given to us all from the biologists the ones that know.
Instead what we have seen is our coyote and moosepopulation increase
while our deer decreased. The coyote they said traveled here from " out west " and crossed with wolves on the way here ? In the 70s you never heard of a coyote but, about 35 miles from here a pen full was being studied by our people employeed by the state. They " escaped on them
after about 2 years and now they are every where. So I guess I am puzzeled how they all escaped on one night and were never recoverd?
Anyways my point is here I would find it hard to believe what we are being told about is the whole truth to the matter. I am not saying that
these wild animals are being released but I do feel that more is going on than meets the eye.2 wolves have been shot in Maine to date one thought it was a black bear as it was a black one in heavey cover. The other one thought it was a coyote. They recieved some heavey penalties for the mistakes and still Maine has no wolves? They just wandered here
and were on 2 differentsides of the state. Well enough said but, I will try and keep an open mind.

pa. is on the same route as maine is now. i see us in same boat soon on deer hunting and predators.predators were released by someone.coyotes were released to get rid of the fawns.who did it, i dont know but i feel it was someone who wants deer killed off.here is list of ones that want deer dead. DCNR, PGC, INSURANCE CO.FORESTRY GROUPS, PAPER CO.MANY MORE.all denied they did not do it.