douge,sad you never saw one .when you do, you will not laugh.then, you will be like rest of us, made fun of,called liers, stupid, dont get out of car,dont know how to hunt, not a college grad.just stupid OLD SCHOOL people .i do have to laugh when i hear some of the info on here too.still, no way anyone can convince me that 17 deer died of starvation in winters we are having. i dont care how many bones that psu disects. anyhow, keep info coming, its interesting,just ,BE COOL.