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"As a matter of fact most engineers I know from a local GIANT Corporation are book smart but have very little common sense. This is how your looking to us. Your showing no real honesty in your posts. Your very abrasive and downright rude." Nope, no insult there! By your logic my comment about livbucks being denied admission to PSU is just "constructive criticism" too. After all I was just trying to get to the root of his problem right?

Do you really think the point of that post was to ask if he could spell the word hypocrite? Come on you know better than that. Who's doing the spinning? As far as spelling goes, I'm not going to waste my time running spell checks in an internet forum here for heaven's sake. WHo cares? Like I said, IMO its anal retentive to worry about spelling here on an internet forum.
BTW if we're going to be concerned about spelling... It should be you're not your.You make this mistake quiteoften."This is how your looking to us. Your showing no real honesty in your posts. Your very abrasive and downright rude."Also it is gramatically incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition. It should be "You are the one at which people are starting to laugh"

I agree. Actually I've been trying to de-escalate here and have even appologized several times, but I don't think you guys have noticed. How about we just call a truce and return to the topic?

The more I think about it, I guess I'll call the truce unilaterally. I'll do my best to refrain and simply won't respond to sarcasm or insults.

RE: Mountain Lions Are Absolutely in PA (photo Added)
 

I agree doughboy. I have repeatedly said that I am not claiming there are not any, just that there is no evidence to support the claim that there are. Don't you agree that it is equaly naive to say, as the title does, "Mountain Lions Are Absolutely in PA"?

RE: Mountain Lions Are Absolutely in PA (photo Added)
 

Sylvan:

I notice that you are the one most vehemently claiming that the photo I provided does not show aML, yet you never asked me to send you a copy of the original scanned photo. All you have looked at are copies that had to be shrunk to less than 150 kB, or the ones that were blown-up/adjusted by those whom did ask for a copy. Those that have requested a copy and reviewed it in its original form tend to feel that the photo does indeed show a ML. I know for a fact that my uncle KNOWS it was a mountain lion.

You are also the only one that claimed that the photo looks like Oregon or Washington state. My uncle has never been to either of those states in his entire life. I told everyone exactly where, when and by whom this photo was taken. Please tell me how he could get a photo on his camera of Washington or Oregon when he (nor his camera) have ever been there.

Also, I went back to my original scan and by simply magnifying the image and reviewing it more closely, I think that I can actually even see the mountain lion's tail in the photo. It is sticking out past a small upright tree to the rear and just below the cat. It almost appears to be a branch from the upright tree, but the color more closely matches the cat's color than the tree's, so I believe it is the animal's tail.

If you would like a copy of the original, simply shoot me a PM with your e-mail address, and I will gladly send it - as I have to every other person that has requested a copy.

If you go back through this entire thread (as I did last night) you will see that your tone, attitude and comments have been derogatory, demeaning and downright nasty on just about every post you have made. You deserve to be bashed right back. However, when you get smacked back, you immediately cry "foul." It has become quite apparent (to me and many others on here) that you are one of those thin-skinned individuals that "likes to dish it out, but can't take it yourself."

By the way, I showed the photo to my wife last night. She is from NJ, and there is noone in their entire familythat is an outdoorsperson by any means. (Her father and mother grew up in New York City.) Her exact comments when I asked her what animal was in the photo was: "It's a puma, right?" She did not have any inkling about this thread or the fact that my uncle ever claimed to have seen one ... or even that they are not supposed to be in the NE.

Try the same experiment as others have suggested, and see what responses you get.

Also, the next time you come to Loyalsock Creek, the Susquehanna River near Williamsport, Pine Creek, or to visit your nephew in Mountoursville, PA. Please call my brother on his cell phone at (570) 916-1048. He lives just off of Rt 87 which runs right along the Loyalsock. His name is John Cawthern, and he has an excavating business by the name of JC Mini Excavating, as well as a mulch business named Central PA Landscape Products. Then, you can arrange tomeet himface-to-face so he cantell you about the animal he and his wife saw in the wilds of PA. You can then guage for yourself whether he knows what he is talking about.

However, I would love to be there, because when you try to tell him he was mistaken (essentially telling him he doesn't know what he is talking about or that he is a liar), the only thing that will prevent him from capping you in the jaw will be if I get to you first.

There are mountain lions in the wilds of PA whether you, the PGC, thePSU "experts" or anyone else for that matter want to admit it. Too many people that I know personally (that know what they saw) have seen them for it not to be the case.

People like Sproulman are not trying to convince anyone that they are here, they are simply trying to defend the absolute certainty of what they saw. You (having not had the same experience) are trying to tell them they are mistaken. That is a bold and stupid move on your part to tell another man that he is wrong.

Lastly, take a ride down to Chester County to White Clay Creek Park and check out theposters warning visitors that a mountain lion has been repeatedly spotted in the area. Then ask yourself, why warn people about an animal that doesn't exist?

- Gr8ful

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With your last post Gr8ful Deer, I don't feel any need to add anything else beside these final words. You are certainly the most sincere poster here and you have put your money where your mouth is. I really hope Sylv takes you up on it too and would like to hear how it turns out. If it goes as I think it will however, please don't punch him in the nose...remember a saying my Dad always told me. "just hand him the rope and he will hang himself".
With his comment about me and speculation that I have a "problem", specifically, some jealousy of his collegeeducation and my assumed lack thereof, I think we can all see what we are dealing with. I don't think anyone on this thread took my comments to heart and I am sure that there is at least a few here with college educations besides Sylvan.

Be patient as the truth will always rise to the top and become apparent to all.

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Iknow several credible people that swear they saw one.I've also seen photos of a few bobcats over the past couple of years that people argued over for weeks that it was a mountain lion in the picture.I can't see anything in this picture that says it's definately or definately not a mountain lion.What makes me skeptical is that no concrete evidence has been found of their existance.Mountain lions will kill alot of deer if they're in an area,yet no confirmed kills have shown up.Does that mean there's no way that they're aren't a few around?No,but I want to see proof before I start saying they're here.I don't believe for one minute that the the PGC or any logging company would be stupid enough to release them.In order for that to be legal,there would have to be public meeting and all kinds of red tape.They can't just release them.On ther other hand,it's not that hard for an individual to obtain one illegally and there's a bunch of eco-wackos out there that want the forests returned to a wild state with predators controlling the deer.It wouldn't surprise me one bit if these nuts are out there letting a few go here and there.So,I'm not saying your relatives didn't see a mountain lion.I'm not convinced that picture shows indisputable proof but I'm not saying it isn't one either.At least you put up and showed something.

RE: Mountain Lions Are Absolutely in PA (photo Added)
 

Your statement is simply not true. Not only am I not "vehemently claiming" it doesn't show a moutain lion, I don't claim anything about the picture other than I can't tell what the animal is other than it has 4 legs. I even leave open the posibility that it is a ML. How can you possibly twist what I said into "vehemently claiming it doesn't show a mountain lion"? Please read what I said and then quote anywhere I said it isn't a ML. If you can't then maybe you should appolgize for your error.
" I really don't know what the animal is in the picture. With a little imagination I can see a ML, bobcat, housecat, dog, deer, fox, coyote. The picture is really poor. Nothing in the picture to give a perspective of size. The shape of the head looks to me like the type of dog Patton had (Willie) pending on how I interpret the shadows. Like I said though, about the only thing I can say for sure is that it has 4 legs and is tanish/rusty colored. With regard to the terrain, although typical of eastern US I think it could easily be Washington state or Oregon too. I've been to WA for business a couple of times and I thought it looked suprisingly like it does around here. "
Please read more carefully. I did not say the photo was taken in WA as you imply, I said WA looks alot like around here.
"With regard to the terrain, although typical of eastern US I think it could easily be Washington state or Oregon too. I've been to WA for business a couple of times and I thought it looked suprisingly like it does around here. "
The point is, and you seem to have missed it in preference to idicating that I am challenging the integrity of you uncle, is that the photo is not proof that "Mountain Lions Are Absolutely in PA ". Had I seen what I was absolutely sure was a ML in PA and took that picture I would have to admit that I couldn't proove what I had seen with that photo.
Yes, I admitted to it and even appologized for it and suggested a truce. Now you seem to be ignoring my appologies, attempts to de-escalate and offer of truce in preference of continuing with a tone of insult and sarcsm. Is that what you want?

Now you are escalating from insults to threats! Maybe you should take a deep breath and cool off. This is just an internet forum!

RE: Mountain Lions Are Absolutely in PA (photo Added)
 

Sylvan:

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

No further sarcasm, insult, or negativity will be sent to you from this side of the fence.

Let me know if you are interested in receiving a copy of the original scan, as I belive the details are much clearer. Simply send me your e-mail addy via the PM feature, and I will shoot it your way.

- Gr8ful

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Livbucks:

From your posts I can tell that you are a WISE man.

Education does not yield WISDOM, it yields knowledge and learning which we all know is completely different fromwhat many gain from real world experience(s).

I happen to be a college-educated individual. I graduated Cum Laude from West Chester University with a double major in Chemistry and Biology while going through their Pre-dentistry program. I actually worked my way through college and paid for the entire trip rather than saddling my parents with MY educational expenses. I am proud of this accomlishment, but I will never let myself believe that it makes me better than anyone whom did not go to college.

To this day, I consider myself to be "fairly intelligent." However, my father never went to college, and I can assure you that he knows more about subjects such as welding, auto repair, electricity, wood working, and about a million other topics than I will ever be able to think about. He also has walked this earth longer than I have, so I am sure that he is both wiser and smarter without a piece of stamped paper from a university to prove it.

Truthfully, I cannot see how someone can bash someone like you and make claims that you hold a grudge because you couldn't get accepted into a school like PSU ... then in the same breath, they brag about how they graduated from the same university, yetnever learned to properly spell the words in the English language. The admission requirements cannot be all that difficult if basic grammar and spelling are not required.

Penn State is a good school, but it is not some erudite university that guarantees its graduates are intelligent and knowledgable when they emerge on graduation day. In fact, most of my friends and aquaintances that went there will tell you the same thing: "They partied their asses off for 4-6 years at Happy Valley."

If some PSU "experts" were put to the task of finding a keg and a bag of weed hidden somewhere in the wilds of Pennsylvania, I suspect they would find it pretty quickly. Ask them to find a mountian lion, and there is little doubt in my mind as to why they failed.

Perhaps, if they started by contacting people like my uncle, my brother, Sproulman, and others that actually claimed to have seen (& even photographed) them to find out where they should concentrate their search efforts, the results would be different.

- Gr8ful

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Gr8ful Deer,

So I guess you won't admit you were wrong with regard to... "Please read what I said and then quote anywhere I said it isn't a ML. If you can't then maybe you should appolgize for your error. "

So I guess you can't find it but aren't willing to admit it. Admireable!

LOL, I see you couldn't pull that off for even one post!


Talk about a bragart! [sarcasm on] So mr. Cum Laude, does this mean we all have to believe what you have to say? I guess we should, you are obviously trying to impress us with how smart you are and after all you are such a good speller! [sarcasm off]

I brought up my education at PSUonly in defense of livbucks bashing people from Penn State. Ididn't brag about my grades or say how smartI am. I simply responded saying that a PSU education was a great experience for me, thefalculty was great and my education served me well in life. I see your motives are very different.

BTW, people are "erudite" not universites. You should know what a word means before youuse it. If you're trying to impress with your vocabulary, you are failing. This is whata cum laude graduate does? Look, I offered an olive branch. You rejected it. O.K. fine... 29 posts, full of insults, a bragart and too arrogant to attempt to reconcile differences. You even managed a threat! Welcome to the board. I'm sure you will do well here! But I bet you don't last very long.

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My last post was directed to Livbucks .. not you!

HMMMMM ... no request for the photo, Sylvan? I guess you are afraid to get proof that you have no way to dispute.

Anyway, I am done arguing with you on this board. You have nothing constructive to say, and I am tired of listening to you run your yap.

Next time you are in Lycoming County, make the phone call. You have the number ... or you can gladly call me on my cell phone @ (609) 820-1300.

I will love watching your Penn State educated teeth get knocked right out of your mouth, because you have asked for it from more than a few people on here already. Then, I'll take a photo, and I will post it up for everyone to debate as to whether it was taken in PA and whether or not they really were your teeth.

- Gr8ful