Mountain Lions Are Absolutely in PA (photo Added)
 

For those of you "Doubting Thomases", there absolutely are mountain lions living in the wilds of PA ... whether the PGC wants to admit it or not.

A few years ago, there was one photographed, documented and tracked in the Chester County area near White Clay Creek which is a suburban area very close to Philadelphia. Numerous people saw it, and PGC officials confirmed the tracks were definitely a mountain lion (although there was no way to prove whether it was a wild one, or whether it was one that had reverted to a wild state after having been released.) The woman whom first saw it was watching her bird feeder when it burst out and snatched a dove out of the air within a few feet of her window.

I know of the following additionally confirmed sightings by friends and family memebers:

1.My uncle has pictures of one that he photographedin the Benezette area of the state. While returning from a fishing trip, it crossed the road right in front of his pick-up before stopping when he snapped the shot. He and his friend both clearly identified it as a mountain lion. (His photois not a digital photo, but I will try to get a scan of the original print & post it up here.)

2. About 15 years ago,a family friend observed onein pasture near their house justoutside of Williamsport in Lycoming County.When she saw it, she called her husband ( a gunsmith)whom also watched it for at least 30 minute before it crossed the field and re-entered the woods.

3. My uncle and his son found one sleeping on a large rock in Potter County between Galeton and Coudersport during deer season about 10 years ago. When they couldn't identify the animal from a distance,they stalkedup closer andgot within 40 yards before it woke, lept up, and slunk away.

There may not be a lot of them, but they are definitely out there.

It is only a matter of time until someone either shoots or traps one ... even though it is technically illegal.

- Gr8ful Deer

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I will stop doubting and become a believer when ANYONE shows real proof.
Until then the stories are entertaining.

Steve

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I know of one cougarthat was just East ofHarrisburg a few years ago. Cost the owner a fair amount of fine money when someone turned in him for having an exotic pet without the proper permits.

Figure if some knucklehead got away with keeping one in an apartment without anyone knowing about it for some time, bound to be a few other undocumented ones aroundthat either escaped or were turned loose for whatever reason. People do strange things.

There isa family in YorkCounty that keeps exotic pets. Every now and then one of their wallabies escapes and it takes them weeks or months to round the little rascal up again. I know he exists 'cause his picture has been in the paper and on the TV news during such escapes.

When he's running around loosein the wilds ofYork County, it doesn't mean PA has a wallaby population, whenever he's outside of the chainlink fence.
:eek:

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I've heard of sightings from very credable sources, however I would rather see one with my own eyes to confirm.

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I have no problem beliving it.
It's just like bears here in S jersey.
Nobody believes it when you tell them theres bears here,even when it's plastered across the TV for a week .TV crew got caught it running across the street,so the peeps who say theres none here, now say it's only one bear,theres no more.
Dumb A$$'s

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Me too, 'cause almost everyone else I knowis full of hot air and ba-looney, at least on this subject.

[8D]

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Well I guess that ultimately settles the debate then![:-]:D:D:D

Blah blah blah where's the proof? How many more mountain lion threads could there possibly be?

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I'm guessing..............12?:D

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i believe you.i saw one in pottersdale,pa.15 years ago and PGC said, i idenified a mountain lion but we dont believe it.they would not even come out and take tracks of it.i had witness and we are in woods a lot for last 50 years and hunt and fish. i can tell you this, when you see a mountain lion it will be something you never saw in your life here in pa. the tail will be real long and round looking and face will have a go-tee and small head and big shoulders. we were 15 ft from lion when he saw us and gave out a screach.yes, they are here.

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13 if you count the relased one from the DEC or PGC....

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Come to mine...it is an objective one not dealing with IF we do or don't have them.

Mine asks if you would want them.

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This is tongue-in-cheek, of course...is my computer monitor the only one that the words TAME, RELEASED and NOT WILD show up on? Theres a huge difference between captive cats and true wild, native mountain lions. It also completely changes the complexion of this silly debate!

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I believe it, they were introduced to kill the coyotes that were introduced to kill the sick rabits.

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Yep, and the PGC stocks coyotes too. :D

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Did you know that the PGC introduced a disease to kill off all the wild pheasants and quail? This was told to me by a farmer. I am sure he knows what he is talking about.

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HEY SPROULMAN HOLD ON ONE SEC I HAVE TO GO GET MY MAGNIFYING GLASS THEN I WILL COME BACK AND READ YOU POST:D:D:D:D

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I hear that!!!!;)

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I believe they are here, why not but until I see one myself...and trust me, the still and video camera is always with me in the tree...and then everyone can say it's photoshoped...[&:]

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Maybe you'll get real lucky and shoot some excitin'footage of a 'yote and a painter fighting over the carcass of a freshly-killed Yeti?

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Man I'm hearing more stories then ever about tags and micro chips on yotes from either another state's wildlife service or ins agencies.
Anyway here's my take on mountain lions.Two years ago I went to my cabin in March.In the mud was a fresh paw print about the size of a 150-200 pound bear minus the claws.It wasn't a bear print obviously and did not have claws.In the fall we found some strange looking scat we couldn't identify.In spring during turkey season a hunter asked me if I was aware a mountain lion was in the area,claimed he saw it.But with all this proof I still don't believe we have them in PA simply because one was never shot by a camera or gun.You would think it's possible for one to wonder through PA but until I see one I'll figure there aint none.

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I think a lot of people who claim to see them have actually seen a bobcat. The ones in PA have the same kind of coat as a mountain lion, but their tail is only 6 inches long. I had a trail camera picture of a bobcat and a lot of people swore up and down after looking at the picture that it was a mountian lion

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Everyone knows that Mt. lions are in Pa. They were released by state farm insurance co.:D:D:DThe really funny part here is someone is reading this and saying, thats true,state farm did do that.....

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I guess the joke is on you! It was Allstate who did it! Who's laughing at who now?[&:]

No!, but really there you guys go making fun of people again.

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Sorry, butthose who generate thesekind of threads are just beggingto be made fun of. Ifthey don't want or can't handle the ridicule then they aught not make suchwild unverifiable claims. I'll stop laughing when the PGC, or Penn State, or some other entity of equal stature says there are wild mountain lions in P.A. Until then, as far as I'm concerned this strange phenomenon of people convincing themselves that they are here and creating, believing in, and propagating such unsubstantiated stories and conspiracy theories is just funny to me and appently to a lot of other people.

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Guess he couldn't get the picture scanned.

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hello,rest assured they are here.in what numbers i do not know.these cameras today should help get a picture of one. i saw one about 15 years ago here in pottersdale, pa.it was young one.i called PGC and they were not interested.they said i identified a young mountain lion to a tee.i asked if they would come outand make tracks of it and they said, GROUND IS TOO HARD. i will say this, when you see one ,it will be something that you have never seen before.long tail about 2 ft, small head with go tee and big shoulders.i was so close that i scared it and it gave out a screach sound.when they run they dont run ANYTHING like a bobcat.i told the PGC it almost looked like 1 of those lightorange monkeys you see run in africa.no way when a mountain lion runs that it looks like a bobcat.i am in woods all time and have seen over 20 bobcats in 40 years and none ever look like a mountain lion. i also had witness with me who is in woods all time too,so,there you have it.now, i carry a camcorder all time while walking in woods ,if i am not hunting.i got some good shots of a black coyote already,take care.

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i don't really know if there are or are not any in pa. but last feburary i was back in a couple of miles hunting yotes and i cut a track that i have never seen before. and i am no puppy anymore. but anyway the tracks in the snow were almost round and they weremaybe 5 inches across. about the size of a softball.the thing that caught my eyes was that they were spaced out somewhere around 30 or 35 inches apart in a straight line for as far as i could see in both directions. the tracks were from that morning and it was snowing so i could not see any pad marks. i don't know what they were but it sure made me look over my shoulder alot that day.:eek:

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I know one thing for sure after reading pages and pages of "There be Mountain Lions in PA" - Nobody but Nobody in all their armchair internet expertice has proven there are NOT Mountain Lions in PA or did not exist in the recent past(not a century ago)or could not migrate here. Any yo-yo can sit and type a tune,cut and paste,quote from some syber web site claiming Its Impossible! But there is no proof they are not or could not be in PA, Be It Pet,Captive,Wild.How the hell long does a Pet Lion have to survive in the wild before its considered wild? When does a stocked trout,
bass,turkey,pheasant or Eagle become "Wild".Somebody google that one.

I'm not going to call anybody a bold faced liar that claims they've seen one in PA.Those who see don't have to squeel like a stuck pig for the tale to be true.

Some are afraid to speak.You can bet the PGC folks are in NO hurry to admit they exist now or ever for fear of a public panic in the Burbs.They will IMO dance around the Lion issue and pray nobody ever brings in a legit pic,video or carcuss.Then the ***T gonna hit the fan!

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Well said AJ!:):):)

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they dont want to know.i was shocked that the PGC would not meet with me at pottersdale ,pa.to take prints. rest assured, when you see one, you will be SHOCKED.its nothing you have ever seen in woods before.i said when i saw it to my friendwho was with me.WHAT THE H WAS THAT. i can remember that to this day. take care

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I give - you are right. Since I can't prove a negative, that is all the real proof needed that mountain lions are all over the NE.

That said, seeing one will be a SHOCK.:D

Steve

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i am glad that at least you believe what i said and saw.in the cross fork area of potter county many reports came in about a cougar they are seeing.i know those people there and they lived all their lives in woods.so, they can be counted on to be telling truth also. trust me, what i saw was a MOUNTAIN LION.take care.

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"Guess he couldn't get the picture scanned."

Relax, Charlie P. My uncle lives in Emporium, Pa and I live in NJ. It's not exactly across the street, so my father asked him to mail the photo to his home in Linden, PA. My father wil scan it and send me a digital copy;I will post it up as soon as I get it.

I can assure you it is definitely a mountain lion, and it was definitelyphotographed in PA.

Would the doubters please try to explain away the multiple sightings near White Clay Creek in Chester County?

The fact is that too manyTRUSTWORTHY & KNOWLEDGABLE people have reported seeing them for me not to believe. None of the people I know personally that saw them ever believed they existed beforethey saw them. They also had nothing to gain by reporting what they saw, so why would they make up such a preposterous story? A bobcat does not look anything like a cougar when you can clearly see their tails.

There was a confirmed cougar kill in PA back in 1967 in Cameron County.That animal was believed to have been a captive animal that was released. It was healthy adult female. Prior to that, the last known, documented case of a cougar killing in PA was sometime in the late 1800's or early 1900's.

- Gr8ful

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Cross Forks? I recall a few years ago when the ol' gal that took over Harry Kinney's Cross Forks column in the Potter Leader-Enterprise, reported seeing a PGC truck loaded with coyotes sneaking through Cross Forks in the middle of the night.

Must be ahotbed of intrigue, extraordinary eventsand conspiracy theories down in there. Either that, or some of them just spend too much time in Kinney's Bar? Then again perhapsthe water in Kettle Creek may contain something out of the ordinary.

[8D]

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now,thats not nice, she is sick .her comment wasshe was told that a truck was seen with yotes in but not in crossforks,she just reported what she was told. i remember article.now,being you dont believe that some have seen a cougar out there, i do. i know some of people that saw this cougar and they would not fib. most of them dont even drink andlive there all their lives.they have no reason to make up a story.as for water, it is getting better in kettle creek but still to much acid in water.thats why no minnows.i am not trying to convince you as you gave one example of person who reported this truck. heck, i heard that story many times.i heard that the insurance and logging co. brought them in.dont know if thats true BUT i can tell you this, i saw mountain lion and some of those at crossforks, i know saw a cougar.i would stake my reputation that those who saw this cougar, saw it.take care.

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Me too SteveBNY. This kind of logic always amazes me. For those of you that use it, the next time you start to type the words "prove it isn't true" or something like that, stop and think for a moment that a majority of people will be chuckeling and consider it ignorant,little different than if youwere to argue that2 + 2 = 5. Just as the 2 + 2 = 5 thing displays a lack of mathmatical education, the "prove it isn't true" thing displays a lack of education in logic.

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yes siree Bob there's mountain lions in PA... the state brought them in with the cooperation of the insurance companies and the forestry industry... turned them over to Bigfoot for training in how to avoid the million hunters out in deer season, who haven't seen any animals, tracks or scat... the thousands of predator hunters who are all over the state calling day and night, with all sorts of calls and lights... never been one reported hit on the highways that criss cross this state... yessiree they sure are some smart cats... :D

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Probably the same reason there are multiple sighting of UFO's in an area. People probably saw "something" unusual. That in no way shape or form proves it was what people THOUGHT they saw. If multiple sightings is proof that mountain lions exist then I guess UFO's are roaming around too. You dont' believe in UFO's do you? How about ghosts?[:-]

It's as simple as this. The non-believers will NEVER believe mountain lions are in PA or NY without a confirmed sighting, video, carcass, or picture.

The believers will continue to believe they are roaming elusively in the woods someplace and there simply hasn't been any concrete proof yet. They put faith in heresay or sightings from reputable sources.

Neither side will ever budge on why or why they don't believe it.


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Here is the photo that my uncle snapped of a mountain lion that crossed the road in front of his truck a couple of years ago while returning from a fishing trip in PA.

He and his friend saw this animal very clearly when it crossed in front of the truck. It was not a bobcat as it had a tail that was at least as long as its body. Unfortunately, it took them a while to get the camera out, so they had to take the photo from a farther distance.

Take note of the size of this cat in comparison to the posted sign on the tree in the background. It is definitely bigger than a bobcat!

My uncle's name is Thomas Glosek, and he is a school teacher in Emporium, PA. He has been hunting and fishing in PA for over 35 years. Up until he saw this animal , he never would have believed there are
mountian lions in PA.

There are some out there ... there may not be many (and they may actually be captive animals that were released), BUT THEY ARE DEFINITELY COUGARS.

I had to crop/resize this photo to get it meet the 150KB file size restriction for this site.If anyone would likea larger file size version that is more clear, list your e-mail here, and I will be happy to send it to you.

- Gr8ful

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Well, I took the photo, put it right side up, and enlarged the image of the animal to where it got too grainy to see anything. I then put it in Microsoft Digital Image Pro and tried everything I could to enhance the photo. I must admit that I am not skillful enough to do much more.

While your photo is interesting, and appears to be of some sort of animal, I can't tell from the photo whether the animal is a bobcat, a deer, or a mountain lion. Actually, the way the front leg is raised reminds me more of a deer than of a cat. No matter what I do to the photo, I can't see a tail. Mountain lions have a long and easily visible tail.

I guess you will have to provide better proof to convince me, because I don't see "conclusive proof" that this animal is a mountain lion, and I do believe that there might be mountain lions in the northeastern part of the USA, including PA. I continue to wonder why nobody has ever killed one, given the trigger happy nature of some of our hunters who shoot humans in mistake for turkeys. Of course, some people really are turkeys, aren't they?

I don't make fun of those who think mountain lions exist in PA. I think those who tell the stories about the mountain lions being released by the insurance companies and the blame commission are sort of funny, and will continue to make fun of those who spread such rumors. I tried to attach the photo as I improved it, but I guess this site won't allow me to post photos.