Thanks Woodseye! That was a fair and unbiased opinion, exactly what I was looking for. You have swayed my opinion a bit and will wait for your comments on the 40mm obj. Just one question...how did you find the windage/elev. adjustments on the Zeiss? I hear they don't have numbers on the dial, just lines.

Geez,i'll try to describe,the Zeiss has a barrel with white lines on it and an arrow in the center.It is a finger adjustable audible click adjustment and it lifts up slightly and you can rezero when sighted in.There are no numbers painted on the graduated lines and the top has an arrow for direction of POI movement.The scope caps are plastic and I have no real feelings on this,in 39 years of hunting I've never fell and damaged a cap on any scope so I don't know which caps would be stronger.The plastic seems tougher and wouldn't dent like the alum. I suppose.The Leupold requires a coin or screwdriver to turn and is also audible click,it is numbered and arrowed for direction also.It uses a different method of resetting to zero by turning a washer with some tension on it.Both adjustments are good to me and I just want to be able to rezero when sighted in.The Zeiss would be easier to move adjustments for long range and wind drift by finger without tools but I never do this on any of my guns so its a non-issue to me.I'm sure target turrets would be the best in this regard.Hope I answered your question and I will post my comparison with the 40mm Zeiss when it arrives.

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Woods, I'm in the same boat as you...I will be using mine stricty for hunting. I usually sight it in then never touch it again. Thanks for the detailed info. JDinAB

Woodseye, as mentioned I never wanted to bring a neg. vibe or stir the pot on your information. Just some do not know what to expect from the objective side of the scope. I found your comparision very informative and excellent, BTW. I certainly have never been a brand pusher & was not trying to stick up for Loopy in any way, just so that is clear.

Hey I didn't think you were being negative at all,in fact you brought up a valid point.Respect your posts and enjoy talking to ya.I will say its pretty refreshing to post on a forum where everyone is respectful of each other like this one.I never take offence at anyone bringing up something in my posts and enjoy discussing optics and hunting from all angles a lot.Bout the only time I expect really negative responces is when I bring up Savage guns,which always brings out some critisim. Skeeter you done good,I try not to be biased but I do favor Leupold and Zeiss when it comes to optics I guess.

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Do post the comparasion, I to am interested. Along with details how it was done. Thanks

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Woodseye, I saw you posted that you never cared for the Buriss FFII. What didn't you like about it? I know this scope doesn't compare to a Vari x III or Zeiss. Just curious. I tested it and the Sign. Series out this summer, I actually opted for the signature series, as it compares closely to the Vari x III and the price was to good not to give it whirl(1/2). But the FFII I thought wasn't to bad and IMHO was every bit as good if not better than the VX II, at a lower price (at least where I was dealing). The thing I liked about the Burris was it tracked on scope adjustments very well, 1/4 at 100 was exactly that. The clarity was ok, eye relief ok, looks was good & price ok (lifetime warranty). I thought if money was an object and a guy never really had experience with a upper quality scope, it would probably fit the bill nicely...along the same lines as an Elite. (I tested the 44mm & 50 in both btw) The only reason i would give it a nod over the elite would be due to tracking, my elites are decent but they don't track well. I think for guys who hunt (which is what I do) mostly with their rifle, tracking or adjustments is pretty important to get that bullet where it should be on the paper. A lot of guys can't really tell clarity from one model to the next and think that a Bushnell trophy or banner is clear...you know what i mean. That is fine and given that context I think the FFII might be a ok choice. Since I believe you have more optic expertise than me, i would like your opinion and thoughts. I have a buddy who wants to step up from a lower end scope, i have suggested he look at the 3200, 4200 (Elite) or the Burris FFII...he is tight on cash, so the likes of the ones you where talking is out of his league.

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Well this is based on experience with one scope so it could have been a dud that slipped thru quality control maybe.I ordered a FF ll on the advice of a sharp scope fanatic friend and he raved about the optics quality and price so I decided to get one and try it out.I have a Redfield Golden Five Star and Leupold Vari X ll and a B&L Elite 3000 all in 3x9x40 already and after really trying them out at dawn and dusk watching a broke tree limb in the back field(225yds) and seeing when they would stop being able to make it out and fade out I knew the Leupold and Redfield were pretty much tied a full 8-10 minutes longer than the B&L.I put the Burris up when I got it and looked thru it and it looked kinda fuzzy so I thought it was out of focus bad,I usually focus on 1&quot; writing at 50 yds and focus in till I can read it at 5X and then try it on print at 100yds and at higher power and split the difference.I focused the Burris and discovered it was clear as can be in the center but got fuzzy as you looked out to the outer edge of the lens.Thinking maybe it was me I had my son look thru it and compare to the other scopes and he said Dad I don't want to hurt your feelings on your new scope but its not near as sharp and crisp as the ones you already got.I couldn't believe it was not as good so I spent the afternoon fiddling with it and focusing it different and used lens cleaner on the lenses to make sure nothing was on the outside from manufacture.At dusk it really became apparent as the light faded it was the dimmest of the group and the least distinct also it simply lacked clarity.I was sick and figured I was had and was going to eat a scope or sell it for a lot less than I paid.I had paid $179 for it from D&R Sports and called them and told them my sad tale of woe,Mark told me to send it back and they would give me full credit on another scope.I took him up on it and just got my new scope while I was typing this response(weird huh?).Now I want to say that I'm NOT bashing Burris and don't know if that one scope was indicative of all FF ll's or was a bad one.I just know I would never have been happy with it as it was just not at the level of my other scopes in that $ range.I try not to be an optics snob and think I can recoginize quality in any price range scope cause I've owned all levels at different times in my shooting career.I have heard that the Signature Burris scopes are top of the line on optics so except for weight I've never heard anything negative about them.They are the only scope maker that still grinds their lenses stateside and they also make Pentex scopes.These are just the facts as I experiened them.What do you think?Did I get a bad scope you think?Guess I'll never know now as its left town for Pa.


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Woodseye, thanks for your reply. As to was it a bad scope, who knows. I mounted the Burris FFII on my 308 and the Signature Series on my 7 mag, compared that with my Vari. X III already on my 270. I only really tried it for a week and in that time at the range in the evening till dusk on 4 occasions & one time I did head out to the country. However these were the 50 bells(in which I mounted), so they would gather more available light. While the Signature Series and Loopy were noticably clearer and better(which should be indicative of the price difference), I never saw the same out of focus...you mentioned with the FFII. I knew I never wanted it, having been accustom to my Vari x III on my Rifle and opted for the Sign. Series simply based on price vs another leupold. I have been told the Sign, Series is miles above the FFII, but in all honesty if I never compared or had a loopy I am not sure what I would have done. I use to be about buying as brand name or top dollar, now I just have too many rifles that I am more about what will it work and a little more price aware. The 7 mag is my now all arounder and I had thought I would more than likely switch over my loopy but I haven't yet and it performed excellent this fall...however time will tell what stays on top. Like I mentioned I was really impressed how well they tracked on adjustment-Burris. I just wanted some input on the FFII since my buddy is looking and I would hate to be the cause for a poor desicion. My limited experience with Burris has been excellent so far, but hardly able to base a gaurantee on it. The elites I have been are pretty good, but I really hate the styling with the 50mm objective and much prefer others in that regard. Plus my experience is they track aweful...but maybe that isn't something to be concerned with...just my pet peeve!!

Thanks again, I think I'll keep my eye on the FFII and weed through what I hear. In the end I can only offer a suggestion and given a lower budget and what he is use to I would say a number would be a vast improvement to his eye!

I check tracking with the 20 clicks down,20 to the right,20 up and 20 to the left and see if you touch the same holes from the first string.You can measure to see if they are tracking 1/4&quot; per click.

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