35 rem vs 30/30
#22
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2003
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RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
You can't kill a deer any deader than dead..... Whether it falls right there or runs 20 steps....does it really matter that much?
And the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.
Point is....sure, a 12 guage will knock the snot out of a cotton tail rabbit...but do you really need more power than a .410?
And the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber.
Point is....sure, a 12 guage will knock the snot out of a cotton tail rabbit...but do you really need more power than a .410?
#23
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Caribou ME USA
Posts: 298
RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
speyrjb, have you ever used either?
20 steps in one thing. 50 to 100 yards in a cedar swamp without a blood trail is far different. I stick by my claim and will stop beating this dead horse.
20 steps in one thing. 50 to 100 yards in a cedar swamp without a blood trail is far different. I stick by my claim and will stop beating this dead horse.
#24
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rocky Mountains, Colorado
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RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
OEH,
You know me, I tend to lean towards the "stout "side. When I say "stick" that is the kind of stick I'm talking about --- no "whimpy" stuff.
A sledge hammer handle and a 6' "sale barn whip" were the two tools (depending on the task at hand) I used when working cattle on a ranch in a "former life". Usually used the sale barn whip the most, on unique occasions the "stick".
EKM
You know me, I tend to lean towards the "stout "side. When I say "stick" that is the kind of stick I'm talking about --- no "whimpy" stuff.
A sledge hammer handle and a 6' "sale barn whip" were the two tools (depending on the task at hand) I used when working cattle on a ranch in a "former life". Usually used the sale barn whip the most, on unique occasions the "stick".
EKM
#25
Join Date: Jul 2004
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RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
Portage- pointed out something that i forgot as well. many many of the deer i have seen killed with the 30-30 the bullet didn;t exit. leaving a small blood trail. i am not positive on the numbers but i am certain at least 70% of the time the bullet did not exit. and i have seen 20 deer killed with a 35 9 by me and 11 by my dad. and on every deer the bullet exited leaveing a large blood trail. not that you needed it
#26
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: So. Ga. (that\'s below Macon for you North Hunters
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RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
Yeah the exit hole was as big as a baseball on the doe my son shot at about 35 yds. Broke both shoulders, and she kinda crawled 10-15 yds and expired.
No running off.
I haven't bought that 30/30, and may not. Y'all have me convinced I really don't need it, having the formidable 35 in hand!
So.....I have been shooting 200 gr corelokts....any suggestions on another bullet that would be better, out of the box?
No running off.
I haven't bought that 30/30, and may not. Y'all have me convinced I really don't need it, having the formidable 35 in hand!
So.....I have been shooting 200 gr corelokts....any suggestions on another bullet that would be better, out of the box?
#27
Join Date: Jul 2004
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RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
i used to shoot the federal Power-Shok in 200 gr SP's worked very well. i think i might have used a box of 220 grain core lokts to and had great results. i never had large exit holes.... maybe the size of a half dollar
#28
RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
Maybe it is the humidity down here in the south, but I have had all pass-throughs in the 8 deer I have shot with the 30-30. All were shot with 150 gr. bullets, not the 170 gr. which should penetrate even more.
Granted, the longest shot was only about 75 yards, but 8 out of 8 is still 100%.
Don't let anybody fool you. A .30 cal. 150 gr. bullet at 2000 fps. will not have much problem passing through a thin skinned whitetail. Maybe them northern deer have more fat on them.
One of several reasons I prefer the 30-30 over my .270 in close cover woods conditions is because I think it makes a bigger hole in the deer, and I get a better blood trail.
The .35 Rem. has always interested me though. I like the idea of getting into the 200 gr. bullet realm, and I think it would make a great hog gun.
Granted, the longest shot was only about 75 yards, but 8 out of 8 is still 100%.
Don't let anybody fool you. A .30 cal. 150 gr. bullet at 2000 fps. will not have much problem passing through a thin skinned whitetail. Maybe them northern deer have more fat on them.
One of several reasons I prefer the 30-30 over my .270 in close cover woods conditions is because I think it makes a bigger hole in the deer, and I get a better blood trail.
The .35 Rem. has always interested me though. I like the idea of getting into the 200 gr. bullet realm, and I think it would make a great hog gun.
#29
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: A flat lander lost in the mountains of Northern,AZ
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RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
i think i might have used a box of 220 grain core lokts to and had great results.
#30
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: A flat lander lost in the mountains of Northern,AZ
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RE: 35 rem vs 30/30
One of several reasons I prefer the 30-30 over my .270 in close cover woods conditions is because I think it makes a bigger hole in the deer, and I get a better blood trail.
The 35 leaves and even bigger exit hole, but with my experience with the 35 rem on whitetails the deer seem to bleed out before they keel over I have had tomany times had a nice thick blood trail for about 20 yards then nothing and no sign of the deer. Ive experienced the same problem with my 308, 30-06 and 7.62x54r but with my 30-30 I always had a good blood trail leading right up to the deer.
But I also load my 30-30's with Barnes X-bullets, My load pushes a 150 grain Barnes X bullet at 2322 fps @ 3 feet. That X bullet has exited every time and leaves a nice quarter size exit hole and if it catches a rib or shoulder blade the bone fragments usually create 3 to 4 more exiting channels. when that happens the deer tends to die pretty quickly. Maybe some day I can get the barnes x bullet effect from my 35 rem if they would ever make a them in that caliber. but for now Ill keep loading those 200 grain core lokts. In my other rifles I use Sierra BTHP Game kings.