Portage- pointed out something that i forgot as well. many many of the deer i have seen killed with the 30-30 the bullet didn;t exit. leaving a small blood trail. i am not positive on the numbers but i am certain at least 70% of the time the bullet did not exit. and i have seen 20 deer killed with a 35 9 by me and 11 by my dad. and on every deer the bullet exited leaveing a large blood trail. not that you needed it