Yes UncleB, That's my take. I suspect that with all these 100 posts one of us would have heard and mentioned this if there was anything to it. First I saw it was just yesterday.

So far, I tried bing and snopes - Nothing. Maybe the way I'm not using the right keys words. There should be enough "power" here to either find something or debunk it.

That's a bunch of BS, LOL! There was no conspiracy and because the media got it out in the public eye many more injuries and/or deaths may have been prevented the way Remington was trying to keep it a secret over many decades. That is the only conspiracy that evolved in this whole debacle and it was within the company brass that made those decisions!

Tg, You sure are passionate on this topic! Why?

I can't reproduce that alleged miss-fire on any of my M700s. Don't have any friends or shooting buddies that can show me their rifle trigger has this flaw. AND sure don't know anyone that has been injured or killed because of it. Do you have a M700 &/or personally know anyone that has had these experiences?

Here we go again! Maybe it's because I've followed this whole mess for many years, probably know more about it than most that keep coming up with statements such as yourself, and want to make people aware that they may have a defective rifle in their possession! There have been many thousands of people that have reported the problem both to Remington or out on various hunting/shooting websites. Yes, in fact I have several internet friends that have had the problem and thank God the rifles were pointed in a safe direction when it happened. They all replaced their triggers with aftermarket ones. I hardly see where my trying to help prevent further injuries or deaths from unsuspecting people should be a problem with you or anyone else, but that obviously isn't the case. Many people say it's all media hype, but the many thousands of people that have had the misfires certainly don't think so! Have you heard of any other rifle in the history of our country with thousands declaring the same problem with a firearm? Nope, you sure haven't because there have been no other problems of it's type! The problem can't be replicated even on rifles where it has happened and that's the scary part of the whole deal. When someone invents a product such as Mike Walker did for Remington back in the 40s and almost immediately after the rifles were introduced people began reporting problems of misfires he found that the "fire control connector" was possibly not dropping back into the designed position. That allowed the rifle to fire when the safety or bolt was moved without touching the trigger. He asked that it be redesigned with a trigger block to prevent the problem and even though it would have only cost 5 cents a rifle the top Brass at Remington decided the percentage of people that it might happen to was too low to warrant the redesign. Amazing, when we're talking about a life and death type decision for only 5 cents that would have corrected it! Everything I have mentioned is all in written documents that were pulled from the Remington files for various court cases, so nothing was "invented" by the media. Finally after decades of Remington settling numerous lawsuits for millions of dollars with a stipulation that each party keep it quiet, they discontinued the Walker trigger in many of their products and went to the X Mark Pro in about 2006-07. That trigger is now under a total recall with quality control issues that have allowed numerous rifles to misfire. Ironically, they are replacing the defective Walker triggers under the recent court settlement with the latest one that is now under total recall. To answer your other question, no I have never owned a Remington, never will, and know many others with the same feelings towards Remington and the way they have mishandled a serious issue for decades and still won't issue a total recall!

See - That's what I'm talking about!

You don't have one and passionately have your mind made up not to ever own/use a Rem M700 with the old trigger. And have no personnel experience other that what you've read on the internet.

I on the other hand, have several "irons in the fire". Two of which I've shown in this thread are my most accurate rifles.

I certainly don't want to fix something that's not broke. I read on the internet that this "storm" has been pouring down for decades, Yet I haven't felt or seen a drop - Not even a cloud in the sky.

I'd like to get to the bottom of this. I have talked to my GS since this thread has been "brewing". He said his practice is to run a safety check on all M700 rifles he works on before returning then to his customers and has never had one fail. He's been doing this for about 40 years, has tried to retire twice but seems there's still been some high $$$$$.$$ job he can't refuse.

I had a bolt that need some work. He wasn't too busy when I visited so I got to stay and help him. Afterwards he pulled down a M700 he had just acquired in a trade. He showed me his safety check then we took it apart from the stock, adjusted the trigger down to 2 Lbs and it would not fire slamming the bolt with the safety on fire. He then cocked the rifle with the safety on, pulled the trigger hard, released the trigger, pushed the safety to fire and it did! He then adjusted the trigger back up to a little over 3 Lbs and it would pass all these safety checks. Afterwards he nail polished the adjusted screws in place.

So, yes I personally have seen a miss-fire - But only because we were messing with the trigger. All my M700 pass these safety checks and I really don't want to mess with something that just isn't broke.

Hope you can understand and relate. Now you have an internet friend that has looked and doesn't see the problem.

First off, you're not my internet friend since I don't relate well with people that can't see the forest from the trees! I can understand and relate to the fact that there are a lot of people like yourself that may have accidents because they're too stubborn to look at facts! You, Sir, are very similar to a lot of folks that have them and don't seem to understand when you're told that the problem can't be replicated. Do you understand the definition of replicate? Just because you or your GS couldn't get it to fire doesn't mean squat because the same thing has been tried on rifles that have misfired and then couldn't be made to do it again when people tried! This has nothing to do with accuracy and I've also stated before that the action is solid and many people build guns based on it. However, generally those rebuilds get rid of that Walker trigger and go with a better designed system that won't go boom when it's not supposed to! Don't you find it rather puzzling why the company finally got rid of the trigger after so many accidents and lawsuits if there was nothing wrong with it? Now the X Mark Pro replacement they went to has a total recall for sloppy quality control that allows those rifles to fire without touching the trigger! Great company, LOL!!! How anyone can question the fact that the inventor himself stated the intrinsic design is flawed and put that fact in writing in a memo to the top brass asking that he be allowed to correct it and wasn't allowed to boggles my mind. You also didn't answer my question as to whether you have ever heard of any other firearm with a history of misfiring like the Remingtons. I presume you didn't because you know darn well there has never been anything out in the history of firearms with a major safety problem like what we're discussing. You go ahead and keep your two "irons in the fire", LOL, and I'll stay with my Sakos and pre 64 Model 70s that I don't have to worry about like you better have in the back of your mind every time you take yours out and load them!!!

Well...If you will check your friends list on this site you'll see that I'm in your list and have been for years.

So...Before you remove me I'll give a friend some advice:

Your passion and emotions are blinding you on this issue. You just tainted everything you've post on this thread with a position that's not understanding or even willing to relate to anyone else. You need to do a gut-check on what and why this is so important to you as don't even own a M700. A position like you have will effect more than just one friend.

check remingtons website, only active recall is the XMP triggers on 700's built after jan 2006, that one walkers also? the same trigger as the early 700's were in the 721/722 rifles, don't hear anything about those do ya? also the 788's had the same trigger, there has never been a problem with them!
nobody ever got shot on purpose or accident unless there was firearm pointed at them, if they break rule #1 of safe gun handleing, are they responsible enough to own a gun.
TG if you believe what internet friends say you need to get out more.
and furthermore, posting news reports as accurate facts, the way the press warps everything out of perspective to get more readers is pretty sad.
RR

You lack reading comprehension again RR, as I certainly didn't say the Walkers were under a recall, but did say the newer XMP ones that replaced it after 2006-07 are! The Walkers involved in the recent court settlement will be on an individual basis and up to each person to figure out and contact Remington to see if they may even have recourse if they own one in the various series involving that lawsuit. FYI I get out to a lot more states and hunt a lot more species than you have in your entire life in probably just the last several years alone and I have hunted with several of those internet friends and will again this year. Also, contrary to what you think of yourself, you're not an expert on everything firearms related like you think you are! However, I knew you'd jump in as soon as you saw this thread was resurrected and I had made a post, LOL! I'm also not posting "news reports", but rather FACTS taken right out of court records during research that I've done. Try it some time instead of just coming on and attacking people with your "know it all" facts! If you took the time like I have to actually research something before you run off at the mouth maybe you would see the light of day on this trigger issue! This is also getting old when you bring up the BS about where a gun should be pointed because there has never been any doubt of where any firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, should be or shouldn't be pointed. The facts are though that it took a lot of injuries and deaths by people that had them pointed in the wrong direction to get the other many thousands of Remington owners that have had the same thing happen to acknowledge that fact and thank God had them pointed in a safe direction when they went boom with no warning! Please just drop it before one or both of us get banned over something that is ridiculous to even be arguing about!!!

Baloney, as nothing is blinding me on this issue! Just because I disagree with you on a serious safety issue that can be backed up in my posts if you did all the research I've done doesn't taint a thing. Hey, I guess I shouldn't worry about all the GMs that are being recalled because I don't own one, but could get killed by someone driving one that isn't aware they have one that is under recall! What a bunch of crapolla!!!