Originally Posted by
RaySendero
See - That's what I'm talking about!
You don't have one and passionately have your mind made up not to ever own/use a Rem M700 with the old trigger. And have no personnel experience other that what you've read on the internet.
I on the other hand, have several "irons in the fire". Two of which I've shown in this thread are my most accurate rifles.
I certainly don't want to fix something that's not broke. I read on the internet that this "storm" has been pouring down for decades, Yet I haven't felt or seen a drop - Not even a cloud in the sky.
I'd like to get to the bottom of this. I have talked to my GS since this thread has been "brewing". He said his practice is to run a safety check on all M700 rifles he works on before returning then to his customers and has never had one fail. He's been doing this for about 40 years, has tried to retire twice but seems there's still been some high $$$$$.$$ job he can't refuse.
I had a bolt that need some work. He wasn't too busy when I visited so I got to stay and help him. Afterwards he pulled down a M700 he had just acquired in a trade. He showed me his safety check then we took it apart from the stock, adjusted the trigger down to 2 Lbs and it would not fire slamming the bolt with the safety on fire. He then cocked the rifle with the safety on, pulled the trigger hard, released the trigger, pushed the safety to fire and it did! He then adjusted the trigger back up to a little over 3 Lbs and it would pass all these safety checks. Afterwards he nail polished the adjusted screws in place.
So, yes I personally have seen a miss-fire - But only because we were messing with the trigger. All my M700 pass these safety checks and I really don't want to mess with something that just isn't broke.
Hope you can understand and relate. Now you have an internet friend that has looked and doesn't see the problem.
First off, you're not my internet friend since I don't relate well with people that can't see the forest from the trees! I can understand and relate to the fact that there are a lot of people like yourself that may have accidents because they're too stubborn to look at facts! You, Sir, are very similar to a lot of folks that have them and don't seem to understand when you're told that the problem can't be replicated. Do you understand the definition of replicate? Just because you or your GS couldn't get it to fire doesn't mean squat because the same thing has been tried on rifles that have misfired and then couldn't be made to do it again when people tried! This has nothing to do with accuracy and I've also stated before that the action is solid and many people build guns based on it. However, generally those rebuilds get rid of that Walker trigger and go with a better designed system that won't go boom when it's not supposed to! Don't you find it rather puzzling why the company finally got rid of the trigger after so many accidents and lawsuits if there was nothing wrong with it? Now the X Mark Pro replacement they went to has a total recall for sloppy quality control that allows those rifles to fire without touching the trigger! Great company, LOL!!! How anyone can question the fact that the inventor himself stated the intrinsic design is flawed and put that fact in writing in a memo to the top brass asking that he be allowed to correct it and wasn't allowed to boggles my mind. You also didn't answer my question as to whether you have ever heard of any other firearm with a history of misfiring like the Remingtons. I presume you didn't because you know darn well there has never been anything out in the history of firearms with a major safety problem like what we're discussing. You go ahead and keep your two "irons in the fire", LOL, and I'll stay with my Sakos and pre 64 Model 70s that I don't have to worry about like you better have in the back of your mind every time you take yours out and load them!!!