SpawnedX

Because there is more things to vote on than just the President. I don't support Obama, I also don't support conspiracy theory. I don't support fear mongering, on either side, and I don't support red herring philosphies.

I will. Just like I will next November, and the November after that.

The only gun laws I am for are the very same ones I have to abide by already in my state. The argument that you are trying to propose is that these laws make it more difficult to obtain guns, and I am asking someone to explain HOW. If you cannot explain your own stance, why should anyone who might only be slightly right of center, like as me, support you? I hate to break it to you, but extreme left and extreme right cannot accomplish anything without getting moderates on board.

It seems like to me, all you really are saying is "well can't get away with tossing out these BS theories so let's change the attack plan to the person who took the time to review facts." Rather than actually giving legitimate arguments and issues and why you feel the right is just so much more logical than the left, you have people that are still talking about the stupid birther theories 4 years later after every independent news source and fact checking agency has told you, you are wrong.

This is what is wrong with America. You are what is wrong with America. You cannot engage the issues, you would rather spend more time tearing down the other side and discussing crackpot theories than coming up with a solution or tackle the tough issues.

Things I believe in:

- Illegal immigration and Obama's open door policy with them needs to end and end soon. I find it is hilarious (and disgusting) that there are people in this country, people who are being fleeced by our own government and their inability to enforce our own laws, who attack the leaders of states that are trying to protect US citizens, their jobs, their educational opportunities, their homes by tackling the giant elephant in the room known as ILLEGAL immigration. It's not racist to kick someone who came into your country ILLEGALLY out.

How does that expound Obama's virtues? Or is it just so upsetting to you that people are getting really sick of the nonsense the extreme right are spouting?

- Gay marriage. I am a Christian. I also could care less if gay individuals could get married under man's law. Why? Because God went through great detail to explain to you that His law and man's law are not the same, that man's law is a temporary but necessary evil in the grand scope of things. So what if these people get a piece of paper from some courthouse somewhere that says they are married? Doesn't change the fact that they will have to answer before God for their actions.

Oh no...look at that, I hold a left of center view on something, while holding an ultra-conservative view on another. That's called independent thought.

- Abortion. In most cases I am opposed to it. However, if a woman was raped I do not think anyone should force her to live with that reminder. Otherwise, abortion because you didn't use a rubber is dispicable. People need to grow up and accept responsibility for their actions and not kill a new life out of their own selfish wants.

Oh crap, he is back on the right side of center with this one.

- Worldview and colonialism. I personally am sick of seeing my friends go off to foreign wars to protect people that hate us and will hate us when we leave. Heck Karzai hates us while we are there. I don't want to be the world police anymore. I want to just let that portion of the world blow itself to high hell while we stop giving our tax money to countries that sit there and berate our government and citizens.

That makes me anti-colonial by the definition of the word, but it also makes me anti-apologist. What does it all mean? It means I have come to my own conclusion on things and not a parties ideology.

So...

This is a dumb statement. I clearly have demonstrated that I think it will be bad no matter who gets elected.

Democrats and Republicans both trample on our constitution. It just so happens that the only one you care about is the "Gee, golly they want muh guns! I mustn't let dem dere take my guns!"

I too support the 2nd ammendment, otherwise I wouldn't have owned a gun since I first turned 21 and obtained my permit to carry when doing tasks related to my business. However, I am not Chicken Little and can determine the difference between the fact that Obama will not take our guns but will try to limit our freedoms with them. Assault Weapon Ban? No way, don't support it. Registering guns? Already have to do it and despite populare belief getting guns hasn't been difficult for me.

There is absolute no wisdom in voting for a guy who you disagree with equally as much as the other, and you believe will damage the country equally as much as the other. That's stupid.

I predicted before even reading the list that you would travel down the conspiracy path and you proved me right.

Some of his views are disturbing. I don't necessarily believe that this man is completely incapable of formulating some of his own stances and that he just believes everything that was told to him.

Has released plenty of records, including his own tax records, which makes your statement false from the get-go. However, the records you are clamoring for, no other Presidents released either. In fact Bush was more vehemently opposed to releasing his school records than Obama, and neither of them released them, but I guess anything that happened before 2008 is too difficult for you to remember?

And it's not required to be President. So this is where someone makes up their mind on if they want someone with business experience or not. As a small business owner, who would be completely unaffected by any of his tax changes, I still didn't vote for him on almost this entire reason alone.

So? This once again is something that matters to each person, left or right, differently. It's once again, not a requirement to be President.

Okay? Just another thing that one should use to formulate their own personal opinion and realize it is not a requirement to have been a Senator for 3 decades to be President.

The poll numbers are a matter of public record, here you go creeping down the path of conspiracy theory again. He had more support, which means he was the most likely to secure a Democratic Presidency and therefore he got the nomination. It's a no brainer.

I cannot contain my joy.

Well, minus the whole fact that he has actually never issued an apology, his perceived sentiment does make me ill.

Obama has never been rude to me, so your statement is basically bullocks. I don't know if he bowed down to foreign officials, but he has definitely not taken a strong enough approach with them, again something that makes me angry.

There's the good little conspiracy theorist I knew was just itching to come out of you.

I mean now you are just believing internet meme's, something even more laughable than spouting chain email rhetoric.

http://www.religionnews.com/culture/...-meme-is-false

I think you are just copying and pasting now. I am going to prove that by asking you to expand on this point so I actually can engage it as an issue, one in which I side slightly more towards his national defense policy isn't the greatest, but certainly not the worst.

Reagan raised it 18 times, Bush 7 times. Thanks for proving my point that both sides are equally as damaging.

A little insignificant thing called facts, disagrees:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/

And just to prove that I am not supporting him, here is the one's he broke:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

I don't know, I haven't been given my crystal ball yet.

And apparently Congress stopped existing in this whole law making process.

We can say that about each and every President who is elected, but okay.

Nothing to say here, he did it.

So could Romney. This is fear mongering. Both sides fear the other equally here.

Massachussetts disagrees with you, but they couldn't possibly have any experience with Romney.

SpawnedX

Oh and here is the biggest point I want to make...

I didn't vote for Obama in 2008. Did you?

ipscshooter

Obama wasn't up for election in 2007...

SpawnedX

Amazing the 7 and 8 are rigth next to eachother on the keyboard and yet you still couldn't figure out what I meant?

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Also for anyone interested:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/tex...html?hpt=hp_t2

Watch me now debunk the Liberals silly logic.

country1

NO! Most everyone I know could see BO and his cronies for what they really are.

Colorado Luckydog

Who did you vote for, your daddy? Go away troll. You may not think your a troll but everyone else knows you are. If it smells like a troll, talks like a troll and acts like a troll, then it's a troll.

You talk a lot of crap and then say you are going to vote for your daddy. What a freaking waste of cyber space you are.

A pile of poop has more substance and meaning than anything you have managed to type on this thread.

You think you are smart but you are an educated idiot.

I won't respond to you from here on. The sign says "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS"!!!!

Phil from Maine

If what you are saying is your proof then lets see it.. Romney pushed gun laws threw in Ma. and do not say that is just a state. If he was president at the time he would of pushed them onto everyone in the whole country. That is one thing Obama has not done. Obama also sign legislation for concealed weapons permits for some federal parks.. Go figure it must be a trick or something to takr away your guns.

I am a Dem and I will vote how I see fit. As a matter of fact most of this state votes Dem.. Go figure a big out door state like up here in Maine would vote to have our guns taken away??? I do not think so!! If you really want to see gun control go ask the residents of MA. what it is like.. I to see more issues than just guns but a vote for Romney is clearly a vote against gun owner's rights. Romney had lost the backing from the NRA to Dems in Ma. on more than one accasion.. He even ended up getting a hunter safety course to say he likes to hunt varmits.. Big game hunter he is.. Passing anti gun laws and all I hope you folks check and see what Romney has really done in Ma. before you vote..

fritz1

Finally! Someone with some intellegence!! Obviously some of you guys dont receive the UA Journal, but I guess you do have to be a Union Plumber or Pipefitter to recieve it. If you was able to get it you would see in the March 2012 edition all the things that Obama has done for our country, like rescueing G.M.and Chrysler, by the way ALL auto indusrty loans have been paid back in full. He also fought against employers from missclasifing workers as "independent contractors" so they would not have to abide by state and federal laws. He closed major loop holes that previously sent jobs overseas, while helping engineer the largest middle-class tax cut in history. Income taxes for most middle class Americans are at the lowest levels since the 1950's. The list goes on and on, I have no time to sit here and try and educate the ignorant so all I can say is do your research!

Topgun 3006

Colorado Luckydog---Let the thread die as it's no use talking to people like this and these are ones WITH guns. How stupid can they be if they haven't seen what all has gone on that we've tried to tell them in this last four years and then figure out how many more people there are with blinders on like them. Then add in all the blacks and latinos who will vote for BO because he's of color and will keep the free money and stamps flowing to them and you will probably have another four years of this chit before we get rid of the azzhole for good. That is if he doesn't get rid of the USA before that!!! This friggin guy needs a teleprompter damn near every where he goes because he doesn't know chit from shinola and yet he will get millions of votes again. This country has so many ignorant people that just vote D or M because they say they are one that it's pathetic. From the sounds of that one post you could probably run a damn dog and put a D behind his name and the poster would probably vote for it in November, LOL!!!

fritz1 stated---"Finally! Someone with some intellegence!!"


Hey Fritz1---You might want to at least learn to spell the word correctly if you're going to use it, you big dufus, LOL! Maybe "smarts" would be easier for ya

AquamanPSD

SpawnedX you have spent as much time professing your love for Obama as you have saying your not voting for him. Let talk facts now since you seem so bent on them... You hear for one reason to get people like me and %90 of the other people in this thread fired up... your thoughts and opinions are as meaningless and worthless as your Politifact and FactCheck links. Everything you have said besides you don't like the two party system you have contradicted. your trying to light the fuse and step back to watch the fireworks. That my friend is a troll...

I agree with you on the idea that the two party system is killing this county. I disagree this is the time to try to reform that. This election is too important to waste a vote making a personal statement of protest. We are here whether its good or bad this is where we are. The american people have to choose if they want a sucessful business man with a somewhat shadey past or an unsucessful president with a completely blacked out past. I don't think Romney is the resounding heaven sent president this country needs to solve all their problem either,but I do beleive that four more years of king Obama would be a near death sentence for this country. Now is not the time to use your vote to make a statement that no one will listen to. Should you vote from your personal views? definitely, but what about voting for what is best for America as a whole?