Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
03-22-2008, 07:28 PM
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Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
I'm still tossing aroung which caliber would be the best "all around" one for me.....but I would like to get some opinions from the more experienced shooters/hunters on accuracy.
If I went with a .30-06 for instance, should I expect the Remington or Ruger to be more accurate out of the box?
The Remington 700 really seems to have a reputation for great accuracy, and after looking at both the CDL and M77, the 700 looks to have a little heavier contour barrel which I usually equate to more accurate....although I could be wrong. The rifle will be strictly for hunting deer and hogs, so no competitive target shooting. I'm a little of a perfectionist, so I know I'll be seeking the load that shoots the smallest groups out of my rifle.
Also, in standard and magnum calibers, the Remington CDL has a 2" longer barrel.How much difference in bullet velocity should someone see with the extra 2" AND how would that make any difference in how effective the caliber was?
I've always been fond of the 7mm. Rem. Mag, but I dont know if I want to tote around a 26" barrel gun if 24" is just as good.
Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated
If I went with a .30-06 for instance, should I expect the Remington or Ruger to be more accurate out of the box?
The Remington 700 really seems to have a reputation for great accuracy, and after looking at both the CDL and M77, the 700 looks to have a little heavier contour barrel which I usually equate to more accurate....although I could be wrong. The rifle will be strictly for hunting deer and hogs, so no competitive target shooting. I'm a little of a perfectionist, so I know I'll be seeking the load that shoots the smallest groups out of my rifle.
Also, in standard and magnum calibers, the Remington CDL has a 2" longer barrel.How much difference in bullet velocity should someone see with the extra 2" AND how would that make any difference in how effective the caliber was?
I've always been fond of the 7mm. Rem. Mag, but I dont know if I want to tote around a 26" barrel gun if 24" is just as good.
Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated
03-22-2008, 08:10 PM
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RE: Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
Both Remington and Ruger has had it's ups and downs in the quality departmnt as of recent years. Ya takes yer chances.....that said I'd pick Remington over the Ruger!
(Look closely at the Weatherby Vanguard)
Both the .30-06 and the 7mm Mag are overkill for deer or hog hunting....yes, both are more than adequate and any range difference is so little that most shooters can't begin to use the difference. I prefer the .30-06 however.
As to the 2" difference in barrels....it means nothing of a practical sense. More of a personal thing than a performnce thing!
(Look closely at the Weatherby Vanguard)
Both the .30-06 and the 7mm Mag are overkill for deer or hog hunting....yes, both are more than adequate and any range difference is so little that most shooters can't begin to use the difference. I prefer the .30-06 however.
As to the 2" difference in barrels....it means nothing of a practical sense. More of a personal thing than a performnce thing!
03-23-2008, 11:13 AM
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RE: Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
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I'm still tossing aroung which caliber would be the best "all around" one for me.....but I would like to get some opinions from the more experienced shooters/hunters on accuracy.
If I went with a .30-06 for instance, should I expect the Remington or Ruger to be more accurate out of the box?
In my expeience the Remington has always been more accurate
The Remington 700 really seems to have a reputation for great accuracy, and after looking at both the CDL and M77, the 700 looks to have a little heavier contour barrel which I usually equate to more accurate....although I could be wrong. The rifle will be strictly for hunting deer and hogs, so no competitive target shooting. I'm a little of a perfectionist, so I know I'll be seeking the load that shoots the smallest groups out of my rifle.
Ruger barrels are made by a third party and they spend about 18 dollars on a barrel.
(that's what the writer quoted at the time, about 10 years ago)
Also, in standard and magnum calibers, the Remington CDL has a 2" longer barrel.How much difference in bullet velocity should someone see with the extra 2" AND how would that make any difference in how effective the caliber was?
The 2" would add up to about 60-70 feet per second faster, which for all practical purposes you would never notice.
I've always been fond of the 7mm. Rem. Mag, but I dont know if I want to tote around a 26" barrel gun if 24" is just as good.
Get a gun capable of a heavier bullet, i.e. 30-06. This is important in my opinion for hogs. Not that a 7mm mag wont take any pig down, it just might make a difference at longer distance, especially when shot placement goes a rye.
Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated
IMO Ruger has always had quality control issues. I have had several that needed to go back and I have had a couple that shot like raped apes. It's a crap shoot, one I preferred not to take so I stayed with remingtons. That said, remington has had some QC issues of late and I hear the trigger on the 700 seems to be their latest issue. They do have a new trigger from the 40x that they are installing on select 700s now, that is getting good reviews.
AS the other poster stated look at the weatherby vanguards, I have a weatherby in 338-06 ultralightweight and its dead nut accurate shooter. Savage has a great reputation also as a good shooter. A frined of mine has a 110 in -06 that shhots 3 shots you can cover with a dime at 100 yds.
I'm still tossing aroung which caliber would be the best "all around" one for me.....but I would like to get some opinions from the more experienced shooters/hunters on accuracy.
If I went with a .30-06 for instance, should I expect the Remington or Ruger to be more accurate out of the box?
In my expeience the Remington has always been more accurate
The Remington 700 really seems to have a reputation for great accuracy, and after looking at both the CDL and M77, the 700 looks to have a little heavier contour barrel which I usually equate to more accurate....although I could be wrong. The rifle will be strictly for hunting deer and hogs, so no competitive target shooting. I'm a little of a perfectionist, so I know I'll be seeking the load that shoots the smallest groups out of my rifle.
Ruger barrels are made by a third party and they spend about 18 dollars on a barrel.
(that's what the writer quoted at the time, about 10 years ago)
Also, in standard and magnum calibers, the Remington CDL has a 2" longer barrel.How much difference in bullet velocity should someone see with the extra 2" AND how would that make any difference in how effective the caliber was?
The 2" would add up to about 60-70 feet per second faster, which for all practical purposes you would never notice.
I've always been fond of the 7mm. Rem. Mag, but I dont know if I want to tote around a 26" barrel gun if 24" is just as good.
Get a gun capable of a heavier bullet, i.e. 30-06. This is important in my opinion for hogs. Not that a 7mm mag wont take any pig down, it just might make a difference at longer distance, especially when shot placement goes a rye.
Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated
IMO Ruger has always had quality control issues. I have had several that needed to go back and I have had a couple that shot like raped apes. It's a crap shoot, one I preferred not to take so I stayed with remingtons. That said, remington has had some QC issues of late and I hear the trigger on the 700 seems to be their latest issue. They do have a new trigger from the 40x that they are installing on select 700s now, that is getting good reviews.
AS the other poster stated look at the weatherby vanguards, I have a weatherby in 338-06 ultralightweight and its dead nut accurate shooter. Savage has a great reputation also as a good shooter. A frined of mine has a 110 in -06 that shhots 3 shots you can cover with a dime at 100 yds.
03-23-2008, 01:21 PM
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RE: Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
My experience owning a grand total of 6 M77's both tang and wing safety models and about 50 different Model 700's of all ranges. The accuracy is very comparable.
Ruger barrels are made by a third party and they spend about 18 dollars on a barrel.
(that's what the writer quoted at the time, about 10 years ago
(that's what the writer quoted at the time, about 10 years ago
Ruger Barrels are not made by an outside vendor for 18 dollars. They are made in house. AS of matter of fact Bill Ruger hired one of the best custom barrel makers in the US and created his own barrel department. Ever watch the discovery channel and their is a show about famous American manufacturers. Ruger was featured on one show. The guy that used to play Norm on cheers is the host. He visited the Ruger factory and the barrel manufacturing department was so clean you could eat off the floor.
IMO Ruger has always had quality control issues. I have had several that needed to go back and I have had a couple that shot like raped apes. It's a crap shoot, one I preferred not to take so I stayed with remingtons. That said, remington has had some QC issues of late and I hear the trigger on the 700 seems to be their latest issue. They do have a new trigger from the 40x that they are installing on select 700s now, that is getting good reviews.
Hmm this was the clincher ...I have never ever sent a Ruger back to the factory . I had to dial their customer service twice in the last 37 years. Both because of used and abused Rugers that I purchased one a Number 1 and the other was a red label. When sent in they were serviced N/C and within 2 weeks or even less time frame. Their customer service is second to none. Do you want to guess how many Remingtons have gone back? Their quality slowly went down hill in the late 80's. Their Triggers were an issue since they were first manufactured and million dollar lawsuits only prove that . Just do a google search on the Walker Trigger Design.
If your a perfectionist then buy a Sako ..take it out of the box install a scope and take it to the range and then go hunting with it. Next best thing that won't screw up out of the Box is a Browning Abolt then work your way down the food chain. Weatherby Vanguard is a good solid choice as well just replace the trigger with a Timney(1 phillips head screw installation) and your good to go.
03-23-2008, 04:37 PM
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RE: Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
Poster is a lefty so out goes the Weatherby Vangurad and the Sako as well
. I have had none, zero, nill...etc problems interms of functionality with either. Both have required trigger work to get to my likes but same can be said about my abolts, M70's, etc. My experience is out of the box accuracy with a factory rifle is a crap shoot to begin with. Worst out of box shooter I ever owned was a weatherby mark V and a close second was a Mod 70 300wm, however even these 2 were plenty when accurate for hunting. I think these as well as others are fine choices, buy based on personal likes and most importantly feel/fit.
Not a real fan of mauser style but like M700's. Howeverafter handling a southpaw hawkeye this weekend I could find nothing wrong with it either - Nice feel, finish good, smooth bolt and the new trigger felt pretty damn good compared to other M77's I have handled.
MO get the 7m mag you've said you like the .284 caliber and fond of the 7mm rem mag chambering..it'll do everything your asking and more. As far as 2" more of barrel I can't say i notice the difference it brings, however everybody is different. The hawkeye has a 24" in the rem mag. Maybe the deal breaker if you like the Hawkeye???
Another thought is a 270wsm in a Browning Abolt Hunter or Medallion? .277 is perfectly suited for your usage of deer and hogs, the wsm offers you a increase over the standard 270win ballsitically and has some Kool factor attached as "new/improved".
. I have had none, zero, nill...etc problems interms of functionality with either. Both have required trigger work to get to my likes but same can be said about my abolts, M70's, etc. My experience is out of the box accuracy with a factory rifle is a crap shoot to begin with. Worst out of box shooter I ever owned was a weatherby mark V and a close second was a Mod 70 300wm, however even these 2 were plenty when accurate for hunting. I think these as well as others are fine choices, buy based on personal likes and most importantly feel/fit.Not a real fan of mauser style but like M700's. Howeverafter handling a southpaw hawkeye this weekend I could find nothing wrong with it either - Nice feel, finish good, smooth bolt and the new trigger felt pretty damn good compared to other M77's I have handled.
MO get the 7m mag you've said you like the .284 caliber and fond of the 7mm rem mag chambering..it'll do everything your asking and more. As far as 2" more of barrel I can't say i notice the difference it brings, however everybody is different. The hawkeye has a 24" in the rem mag. Maybe the deal breaker if you like the Hawkeye???
Another thought is a 270wsm in a Browning Abolt Hunter or Medallion? .277 is perfectly suited for your usage of deer and hogs, the wsm offers you a increase over the standard 270win ballsitically and has some Kool factor attached as "new/improved".
03-23-2008, 04:47 PM
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RE: Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
Get a .300 wsm or 270 WSM with a 24" barrel. There are onlya few instances I want a 26" barrel.
or even the good ole .270 win. If i was to buy a new rifle/all around, today, it would def not be a 7mm rem mag, and very unlikely a .30-06, get a .300 wsm, if that's too big, get a .270 WSM, though same case, I'd want the option of shooting 180gr bullets, with the options of 165, and 150gr, vs. the 270 with 130, 150. In a few years I may talk myself into buying a .300 wsm.
I would certainly choose remington over ruger......just my opinion of course, many fine customs are built off rem actions, not sure I know of one built off of a ruger action?
or even the good ole .270 win. If i was to buy a new rifle/all around, today, it would def not be a 7mm rem mag, and very unlikely a .30-06, get a .300 wsm, if that's too big, get a .270 WSM, though same case, I'd want the option of shooting 180gr bullets, with the options of 165, and 150gr, vs. the 270 with 130, 150. In a few years I may talk myself into buying a .300 wsm.
I would certainly choose remington over ruger......just my opinion of course, many fine customs are built off rem actions, not sure I know of one built off of a ruger action?
03-24-2008, 04:08 PM
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RE: Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
I'd go with a Ruger. Reliable, dependable, built likea tank. And none of them that I'vebeen aroundso far have had any accuracy issues.
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many fine customs are built off rem actions, not sure I know of one built off of a ruger action?
many fine customs are built off rem actions, not sure I know of one built off of a ruger action?
03-24-2008, 04:22 PM
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RE: Remington CDL or Ruger M77 Hawkey?
def the remington. much better triggers for starters. i personally like my CDL model 7 in 350 mag. i think that would make you a hell of a deer and hog gun. i have it topped w/ a trijicon 1.25-4. im not a scope man at all but im quite fond of that little scope. its very similar to an apiture sight that i have on all my other stuff. i hvae a bunch of remington 700 and one 77mkII 7mm mag and an ultra light in 243 which i also like. its really what feels more comfortable and what balances well for me, which for me, no question its the remingtons. check out that model 7 cdl though! i think it will spark your intrest!
