25-06
12-04-2007 | 07:59 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: 25-06
I personally think the bow and arrow should not be used on any game larger than turkeys however it is used on the largest out there. I am not an elk hunter but wouldn't the 25-06 be as capable as say a bow?
12-04-2007 | 08:41 AM
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Fork Horn
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RE: 25-06
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...I am not an elk hunter but wouldn't the 25-06 be as capable as say a bow? Of coarse reasonable ranges considered for both weapons.
...I am not an elk hunter but wouldn't the 25-06 be as capable as say a bow? Of coarse reasonable ranges considered for both weapons.
As it is, however, the original poster asked about usingthiscartridge at up to 600 yards. Not the same thing, and not a good idea.
A buddy was telling me this weekend about watching a TVprogram that showed some idiot bowhunting an elephant. I can't fathom such lunacy, but, in the words of Dave Ramsey, "stupid's not a crime".
I'm not saying that bows or quarterbore cartridges won't kill an elk. I'm saying there's far more appropriate equipment out there, and that both hunter & quarry would be much better served by its employ.
FC
12-04-2007 | 09:12 AM
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Fork Horn
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RE: 25-06
Some experienced opinions on choosing a cartridge for elk hunting:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingTimes/articles/displayarticles.asp?id=41
and
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/combo_deer_elk/
and
http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/all_012505/
FC
http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingTimes/articles/displayarticles.asp?id=41
and
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/combo_deer_elk/
and
http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/all_012505/
FC
12-04-2007 | 10:00 AM
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RE: 25-06
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AND
The first one appears to be based in experience on deer.
The second appears to be based in theory with no experience on elk.
Gotta give the lad credit, at least he is consistent, exceptthe aim point changesbetween the two....
Does seem to be "recoil sensitive" which may lean the viewpoint.
Note: I also agree with FC, for those who use capable cartridges one is not restricted to the "right behind the shoulder" requirement. Personally I consider it to be inferior to punching them thru the shoulder(s) with a capable cartridge which also scrambles the boiler room in the process plus stops theadrenalin run, which in elk country can take you a long ways into where you don't want to go.
I guess there is always neck shots.... not my cup of tea but advocated by some.
IMHO, less than 30-06 power is weak and asking for trouble where none need exist.
I've seen cases where the friskier cartridges put elk right down even with less than perfect placement which, though I am sure many here don't believe it, sometimes happens to humans in the real (non-internet) world. While this should not be relied upon at all, it does provide a measure of insurance against the uncertainties that occur in real life.
"....I would not hessitate to shoot anything up to a muledeer with my 22-250, but that's because I know my rifle and I know what it can and can't do. However, I have never shot a deer in the chest with my 22-250. I only take the shot while the animal's head is up and I have a good square shot on the neck. Not quartering to or away. Only if the animal is broad side or, best case scenario, the animal if facing directly towards me. It doesn't matter what you are shooting if you break the neck the animal will not live. Period.
You guys can stand behind your opinion about the 22 calibers being "too small" for deer and continue to blast them with large bore rifles. That's fine with me.
Your arguments do not change the fact that just as many deer, if not more, are wounded and not recovered with large bore rifles because people tend to "see fur and pull the trigger".
Should everybody should shoot a 22 caliber rifle at deer? Without a doubt, no! That statement is as irresponsible as saying that every hunter shooting deer with a 22 caliber rifle is unethical.
Bottom line is that it has more to do with the shooter than the rifle. You can own the fastest race car in the world, but if you don't know how to drive it then you aren't going to win many races.
I personally like the low recoil of the small caliber rifles, and I like the fact that if I want to shoot 100 rounds in one day out of my 22-250, my shoulder can take it. If I am shooting my .270 I shoot is as little as I need to because of the recoil.
And that's my personal choice. And I stand behind that choice 100%.
You guys can stand behind your opinion about the 22 calibers being "too small" for deer and continue to blast them with large bore rifles. That's fine with me.
Your arguments do not change the fact that just as many deer, if not more, are wounded and not recovered with large bore rifles because people tend to "see fur and pull the trigger".
Should everybody should shoot a 22 caliber rifle at deer? Without a doubt, no! That statement is as irresponsible as saying that every hunter shooting deer with a 22 caliber rifle is unethical.
Bottom line is that it has more to do with the shooter than the rifle. You can own the fastest race car in the world, but if you don't know how to drive it then you aren't going to win many races.
I personally like the low recoil of the small caliber rifles, and I like the fact that if I want to shoot 100 rounds in one day out of my 22-250, my shoulder can take it. If I am shooting my .270 I shoot is as little as I need to because of the recoil.
And that's my personal choice. And I stand behind that choice 100%.
"....Going back to the 25-06.....I feel that the 25-06 is plenty sufficient tokill elk. Elk are tough creatures, no doubt about it.But let's be real. Even with a super whiz bang magnum rifle you have to put the bullet where it's supposed to go...right behind the shoulder. Otherwise you risk losing the animal...plain and simple.No matter what gun you use, you must make a good shotto bring an elk down....."
The second appears to be based in theory with no experience on elk.
Gotta give the lad credit, at least he is consistent, exceptthe aim point changesbetween the two....
Does seem to be "recoil sensitive" which may lean the viewpoint.
Note: I also agree with FC, for those who use capable cartridges one is not restricted to the "right behind the shoulder" requirement. Personally I consider it to be inferior to punching them thru the shoulder(s) with a capable cartridge which also scrambles the boiler room in the process plus stops theadrenalin run, which in elk country can take you a long ways into where you don't want to go.
I guess there is always neck shots.... not my cup of tea but advocated by some.
IMHO, less than 30-06 power is weak and asking for trouble where none need exist.
I've seen cases where the friskier cartridges put elk right down even with less than perfect placement which, though I am sure many here don't believe it, sometimes happens to humans in the real (non-internet) world. While this should not be relied upon at all, it does provide a measure of insurance against the uncertainties that occur in real life.
It's tiresome to have people call you "wrong" for your choices in caliber from one animal to the next.
Here's a question for you guys? How many deer / elk / whatever are wounded every year because hunters shooting large magnum calibers take marginal shots on these animals thinking "I'm shooting a cannon" so they take a shot they should not take?
You hear people every year talk about the trophy that was wounded and never recovered and they are willing to blame everything but themselves for wounding the animal. "Damn 243 won't kill deer, if I was shooting a 30-06 or 300 Mag I would have gotten him!" My point is "no buddy, if you would have made a good shot on the deer you would have gotten him!"
Larger caliber guns do not make up for bad marksmanship!
12-04-2007 | 11:23 AM
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You hear people every year talk about the trophy that was wounded and never recovered and they are willing to blame everything but themselves for wounding the animal. "Damn 243 won't kill deer, if I was shooting a 30-06 or 300 Mag I would have gotten him!" My point is "no buddy, if you would have made a good shot on the deer you would have gotten him!"
Larger caliber guns do not make up for bad marksmanship!
Larger caliber guns do not make up for bad marksmanship!
Perhaps they need to give hunters markmanship classes or have you pass a proficiency test before going hunting. I would be in favor of that. Yes there are a lot of "Magnum" shooters that think they will make up for a lousy shot with a hit anywhere on the body but all a magnum does is increase range, But there is no denying that a bigger ,heavier projectile going faster is going to do more damage then a "Pop" gun and at extended ranges.Big Animals require Big Bullets especially when the conditions are bad, the animal is at an angle etc etc etc.
12-04-2007 | 01:21 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: 25-06
ORIGINAL: andlan17
ps. I am not a fan of the 270 so no one suggest that please.
ps. I am not a fan of the 270 so no one suggest that please.
You already have an idealbush gun for your local game with your .308, if you want another rifle, compliment it with a cartidge what will expand your killen' spectrum. Like the biggest mag you can comfortabley shoot.
Personally I would choose the 30'06 and buy a Leupold Variex III scope wiht a Boone and Crocket reticle and limit my shooting to 500 yards.
I have harvested a 5x5 bull elk with my 270, 150 grain partitions. One shot in the ribs and he didn't go far. Out here in Alberta, the 270 is by far the most popular big game cartridge for all game, and the general concensus is that elk are tough, and sometimes take a number of rounds to finish off.. And in many cases that number of rounds are not limited to standard cartridges, but include magnums. I think ther was a post on here where somebody shot an elk 6 times with a 338 mag.. Please correct me if I am wrong. So hedging your bets with the strongest caliber you can shoot accurately is sage advice from the members on this board.
Cheers.
12-04-2007 | 01:29 PM
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RE: 25-06
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Perhaps they need to give hunters markmanship classes or have you pass a proficiency test before going hunting. I would be in favor of that. Yes there are a lot of "Magnum" shooters that think they will make up for a lousy shot with a hit anywhere on the body but all a magnum does is increase range, But there is no denying that a bigger ,heavier projectile going faster is going to do more damage then a "Pop" gun and at extended ranges.Big Animals require Big Bullets especially when the conditions are bad, the animal is at an angle etc etc etc.
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When you talk about marksmanship and proficiency tests on this forum, everybody understand your context and sentiment. But that kind of testing is also what the anti gun / anti hunting crowd would like to see. Once the test is in place, they just raise the standard till nobody can pass. And don't be calling the 25-06 a pop gun![:@]
Perhaps they need to give hunters markmanship classes or have you pass a proficiency test before going hunting. I would be in favor of that. Yes there are a lot of "Magnum" shooters that think they will make up for a lousy shot with a hit anywhere on the body but all a magnum does is increase range, But there is no denying that a bigger ,heavier projectile going faster is going to do more damage then a "Pop" gun and at extended ranges.Big Animals require Big Bullets especially when the conditions are bad, the animal is at an angle etc etc etc.
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When you talk about marksmanship and proficiency tests on this forum, everybody understand your context and sentiment. But that kind of testing is also what the anti gun / anti hunting crowd would like to see. Once the test is in place, they just raise the standard till nobody can pass. And don't be calling the 25-06 a pop gun![:@]
12-04-2007 | 02:13 PM
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RE: 25-06
thats just the reason whyi dont want a 270, everybody has one. im not saying its a bad cartrige or the 25-06 is superior, but i would just like something a little different. my 308 is very old and im begining to think the barrel is fouled based on the groups im getting.
12-04-2007 | 02:28 PM
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RE: 25-06
Personally I would choose the 30'06 and buy a Leupold Variex III scope wiht a Boone and Crocket reticle and limit my shooting to 500 yards.
I have harvested a 5x5 bull elk with my 270, 150 grain partitions. One shot in the ribs and he didn't go far. Out here in Alberta, the 270 is by far the most popular big game cartridge for all game, and the general concensus is that elk are tough, and sometimes take a number of rounds to finish off.. And in many cases that number of rounds are not limited to standard cartridges, but include magnums. I think ther was a post on here where somebody shot an elk 6 times with a 338 mag.. Please correct me if I am wrong. So hedging your bets with the strongest caliber you can shoot accurately is sage advice from the members on this board.
I have harvested a 5x5 bull elk with my 270, 150 grain partitions. One shot in the ribs and he didn't go far. Out here in Alberta, the 270 is by far the most popular big game cartridge for all game, and the general concensus is that elk are tough, and sometimes take a number of rounds to finish off.. And in many cases that number of rounds are not limited to standard cartridges, but include magnums. I think ther was a post on here where somebody shot an elk 6 times with a 338 mag.. Please correct me if I am wrong. So hedging your bets with the strongest caliber you can shoot accurately is sage advice from the members on this board.
great post
When you talk about marksmanship and proficiency tests on this forum, everybody understand your context and sentiment. But that kind of testing is also what the anti gun / anti hunting crowd would like to see. Once the test is in place, they just raise the standard till nobody can pass. And don't be calling the 25-06 a pop gun![:@]
Wow , should I watch out for black helicopters too or do you have more conspiracy theories ? For elk at 600 yards the 25-06 is a pop gun. I consider anyone using it at that range on Elkto be a bit of a @@@@@a@@ .Now it wouldn't bother me if used on Coyotes or Wolves(when they become legal game) Shooting a light gun isnt equivalent to ultralight fishing and orcatch and release.
