The "new" .30/30 is a joke-there's nothing much to the idea of a pointed bullet being greatly superior to a flatnose one at .30/30 velocities-the e=real advantage doesn't begin to show up at much less than at least 250 yards. So this "new" business is maore about selling ammo than ianything else!

On the other hand, a .250 Savage, although using smaller diameter bullets, is a lot more rifle than a .30/30 can ever be due to its' much higher MV withall bullet weights. If you get a Model 99 with 1/10" rather than the 1/14" twist ofthe older M99's, you can shoot 120-grain bullets in it at speeds up to 2800 FPS, giving a much better trajectory and terminal performance than a .30/30 will ever muster, regardless of bullet type used in one. Actually, if you load a .30/30 for a 99 Savage, you can use better bullets than thgose offered in this "new" Hornady 30/30 ammoanyway........

If your daddy wants real performance, get him a Model 99 in .284 Win., .308 Win., or .358 Win.....

eldequello,
Hit the nail on the head.The Savage 99 used a rotary mag,or a stacked mag.So you can use pointed bullets in the 30/30 in it.
BUT
The 250-3000 is a great deer round.I have a 99 in a saddle carbine with saddle ring and it's been a great little rifle.I just wish some who ever owned it would have not cut the stock down.

Hey BA you do know you can get one in .308 win.Maybe he wan't one of them.
BBJ

I'm not sure that i'm aware of pointed bullets made to operate at 30/30 velocities..The 170gr.RN bullet has a SD of .252,and those bullets are made just for 30 WCF velocities,
I feel both of these cartridges are great deer rounds,and they both get overlooked by hunters & shooters that want something faster..
But don't think that the 250 Savage is that much better (if any)than the 30/30 ...It's just if you prefer one over the other or If you hand load one and not the other... But I prefer RN over pointed bullets in my 30-30... I see no advantage in using a pointed bullet at 30 WCF velocities...

The 30/30 is a wonderful cartridge and has killed alot of whitetails.
It is thought of as a brush gun but it is still able to reach out 200 to 250 yd.s and hit with a 170gr 30 cal. bullet with authority.

And as for your statement (the 250 Savage is alot more rifle than the 30/30 ever will be )
That is your opinion not my opinion or 1000's & 1000's of other hunters,
They have been millions of more rifles made in the 30WCF caliber than the 250-3000 cal. and the 30 WCF is still a strong seller.....and will be when we are both worm food.

I'm not knocking the 250 Savage, it is a great round...

I haved hunted with the 250 Savage all over Texas,Wyoming, and Georgia with that little round.I have taken many deer and pronghorn with that round.My oldest son took his firet deer with it at 7 years old.That gun is still in my collection and I hunt with it almost every year in Georgia.I have seldomn had to do follow up shots with it. To me that is one of the best deer rounds around.If you find one shoot Winchester 100 Gr. Silver tip bullets they will not let you down.

Sierra makes a 135 grain bullet for the 30-30. It is a dandy. It was desined for the TC barrels-I believe. Tom.

I have looked for some 130-140 grain bullets for the 30-30 this year and have not found any. I guess that I am going to have to order some. I can imagine that the 30-30 would shoot a quite a bit flatter with a lighter bullet.

I don't like your tone. You're also a moron. There is a huge performance advantage with the new .30-30 ammo. I guess you're too stupid to realize that a more efficient bullet = better performance.

My "daddy" doesn't want "real performance". He wants a nice old gun in .30-30 and he wants to use the new ammo.

What he wants is what he wants and he's too old for me to tell him what to do.

Yeah I'm sure there is alot of 99's out there in .284.

Idiot.

Old .30-30


New .30-30




Yeah I guess 7 inch flatter trajectory and 500 more ft/lbs at 200 yards is just "nothing much". Stupid engineers and their stupid "pointed bullets" that "move through air more efficiently". What a joke.


Next time come up with a real suggestion.

Sierra does still make the 130 grain FN Its in the lasest manual. If you DO NOT HAVE a tubular Magazine, the 150 grain Speer Mag Tip is as good as it gets for the 30-30. It can't be used in Tubular Magazines as its a pointed bullet.

I am no fan of the 30-30; however,
It is a gift (and not for you)....
IMHO, this over-rides alll other considerations.
Whether it is inferior or not is immaterial.

Get the 30-30.

Well, not as much performance advantage as appears at first glance, Brutal. Look at your charts again, the 'drop' comparison is deceptive. The newer ammo is zeroed at about 200 yards, while the older 150gr RN is zeroed at 100 - so of course it drops A LOT more at 200. I suggest Hornady did that on purpose. What they should have done - what I've done - is zero that 150gr RN/FP at at 150-175 yards, that way you're only 3 or so inches low at 200. Of course, then their new bullet wouldn't have had quite as much shine on it, would it?

I think it accurate to say that the new Hornady ammo gives a performance boost at the 30-30's outer limits; at likely ranges, I don't think it makes much diff. I've not used it.

Hey, killed me a buck this morning with my new (to me) 30-30 Marlin; load was 150gr Corelokt. I'm jazzed.