OK boys, you are not going to believe this............Let me give you the entire history. I ordered the gun through the custom gun shop in summer of 03. I ordered a 7mm WBY Accumark with desert camo stock and titanium nitride coated metal work, with a Sub MOA only available on certain calibers, in the Accumark. All Accumarks have a aluminum bedding block and a Criterion Button Rifled barrel. Criterion, a sister company of Kreiger. The gun came in in the fall of 03, I went to pick it up, and ended up sending it back (never even took it home) because the barrel was tight against the stock in the barrel channel. I couldn't even slide a dollar bill through it. There was of course a large gap on the other side of the channel. I got it back, and could never get it to fire a 3 shot group sub MOA. I returned the brand new scope to Luepold, they rebuilt it andthe gunwas better but still not right. I later sent the gun back to Weatherby after many conversations with the custom shop, and they touched up the crown (they said there was minimal damage, possible from a ram rod or cleaning) and shot two 3 shot groups and returned the gun to me with the targets. I only clean my guns from the receiver and never from the muzzle. I also checked the crown before it was sent in and there was no damage, but I figured whatever, as long as it shoots well now. I bought another new scope and mounted it, after taking to Tally directly for proper torque and procedure. I still could not get it to shoot well. I again had several conversations with the WBY custom shop, and basically gave up because I figured even at a couple inches off it would be good enough for hunting. I took it out a week ago and shot 2 shots almost in the same hole, then all the rest at least 2 inches high and wandering from L to R. I decided to look in the phone book and call a gunsmith to see if they had any suggestions. Ifound that Kreiger is 20 miles from my house so I called them, they said bring it in and we will look at it and we'll have Criterion take a look at it. They also suggested glass bedding. I called WBY and talked to the same guy I had talked to at least 8 times before. He said he didn't think it would need that. So I took the gun in on Mon. A guy from Criterion called me on Tues. with a few questions about how old the gun was, how many shells I ran through it, and how old my other WBY Accumarks were. I did not hear anything until today, when I called to check on the progress. The guy from Criterion wasn't available until Mon., but the guy I originally talked to from Kreiger had this bit of info for me. THE BARREL ON THE GUN IS NOT A CRITERION BARREL. IT IS A (I FORGET THE NAME, SAKO OR SOMETHING POSSIBLY) WHICH IS AN OLD BARREL THAT APPARENTLY WEATHERBY USED TO USE SOMETIME OR ANOTHER.
So, I submit to you this: the WeatherbyCustom Shop is either very incompetent, so much so that they don't know which barrel they are building a gun with, even after 2 more chances to see it, or Weatherby is building Accumarks with barrels that are not true to their claims. Sounds like what I would consider to be fraud. Furthermore, looking back at his questions on Tues., it is clear to me theyknew right away, as did Weatherby because they have been in contact. But, being the stand up company Weatherby could be, I have yet to get a call from them. I tell you this, I saved 1000 dollars be getting an accidental second opinon onmy refrigerator earlier this year, now an accidentalsecond opinion tells me I still don't have the gun I bought and paid for 3 years ago. What is wrong with people ?

Listen, I know you are at your wits ends. So I sympathise, but any kinda ideas people try to give you, you just bounce it back. If you have to torque things down to the exact poundage, then your compensating for a bigger problem. The rifle isn't exact and wouldn't be a good all weather rifle. Any decent gunsmith should be able to check your chamber, check your headspace, and compare to new and fired brass. They should be able to check the lug contacts, and veiw your barrel with a bore scope. Some would be able to even check your crown.

I wouldn't trust the guy from Krieger myself. Thats just me. They can use any barrel from any manufacture they want in a custom shop.

Your not the only one that has tried to make weatherby stand by thier accuracy statement. I know several people that has and they have given up and had the gun accurized by a gunsmith and learned a lesson from it all.

I'm really not sure of your point. I bought a production rifle (Accumark) with custom embellishments. I expect the production rifle (Accumark), be as it is claimed. It's really very simple. I do believe people who make barrels, Kreiger, Criterion, would know their barrels from a hole in the ground. So yes I trust them. They supply Weatherby with the barrels, why would they lie?

I had my own mark V rebarreled and bedded by a local gunsmith and it went from a 1-1/8" rifle to an honest sub 1/2" rifle.
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Lie? No. Some know it all at the factory, maybe. What I am saying, instead of wasting your time calling every body under the sun, go out and actually fix the rifle and be done with it.

You have said that the barrel is fully free floated. You have also commmented on the bedding issue...
This may be sound stupid and way too easy a fix, but it is well worth the $ and time to try it (it''ll cost you almost zero for both).
Try placing a tiny amount of upward pressure near the end of the stock between the barrel channel and the barrel. It might be a small piece of credit card super glued in place, a piece of wire... just someting that won't deform or move.......
I've had a few guns that wouldn't respond to anything else when I was trying to wring out the last 1/2" of accuracy.
It can be maddening when bedding, crown, trigger and proper rest are all accounted for and the damn gun still moves it's point of impact around within five shots.
Good luck...

OK, here's the way I see it. My other two Accumarks I have no problem shooting well under WBY's claim of 1.5 inch. In fact, I looked at my last 30 378 target and 3 shots under 1/2 inch.Now, I don't do anything special to achieve these groups. Idon't go out on a super windy day, but I place my gun on the bags, not paying any special attention on how it is done, and I shoot. My goal is not to make the gun super accurate and I don't shoot competitively. I in fact probably wouldn't be on here if the gun shot a consistent 1.5 inch group. I paid anextra 150 bucks or so to have the sub MOA, just so I knew the rifle would be a good shooter. Weatherby does not do anything special to these rifles, they justset asideactions/barrels that shoot well, charge a little more and engrave sub moa on them.

I do not know if the barrel is bad or not. I will say that when I clean it, it has always had an area in the mid barrel where the resistance tothe brush or pad would change. I do not have this on any other of my guns, but if it means anything I don't know.

Butnow the point of this has kind ofchanged. I appreciate your suggestions and help, I really do. I was willing to have the rifle glass bedded and pay 160 bucks for this. But now,from what I was told by the people who make the barrels, Weatherby did not use a Criterion barrel which they claim they use.So the accuracy issue has become a mute point.The point is that the gun is not what I paid for, and Weatherby will at the very least, put the Criterion barrel on the rifle.

Now, some of you might think I'm crazy, and I should just fix it myself. That is your opinion, but I tell you you are the very best friends of these companies.I do not believe it is outrageous to hold a company to its writen claims. I will be hearing from Criterion on Monday.

If that is true,it certainly does change the situation.It would amount to false advertising or fraud and Weatherby should be happy to give you a complete new rifle.

Thank you Stubble, that is my thinking exactly. Now, I have had success with Weatherby and have bought at least7 of their guns. I will see what Criterion says on Mon, but the guy fromKreiger when I dropped the gun off and he looked at it,the guy from Criterionwhen he called me on Tues, and of coarse, the last phone call I had with the guy from Kreiger. All indications, physical reactions, and verbal exchangesare consistant with the barrel NOT BEING ACriterion.

First off Criterion barrels ain't nothing special. I put them in class with any other hammer forged barrel like remington.

But I just changed my mind. keep wearin out that phone, ain't none of my business, and besides I am in the fiber optics business and the more you call, the better for me.

For me, I don't have time for it. But good we got guys like you to keep weatherby honest. Myself, weatherby don't exactly like me, cause I refuse to buy from them again.