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Old 06-02-2005 | 11:41 PM
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ELKINMTCWB - you're reading what you want to then. I've said time and again that the modern compound bows have revolutionized archery - they have driven archery beyond anything anyone could have imagined, recruited millions of bowhunters, opened up seasons, created industry and because of them archery demands some political attention.

Compounds are NOT bad - they are vastly different than a TRAD bow, but not evil. If your'e a purist, an elitist, then yeah, you probably think compounds are too much bet hey, they're here, right ? And crossbows are the Devil ! But thats crazy, one sided thinking and the roots of it is selfishness.

Come to Arkansas. Use a crossbow, or a compound, or a longbow or recurve. Hell, choose one today and a differnt one tommorow ! It don't matter - you got the same 4 1/2 months of archery that I do and the same tags - fill them however you want to, it don't make no difference in my hunting at all.


Now ponder this. For eveyone who's saying there is POTENTIAL for overcrowding in archery season be very careful what you're asking for. The vast majority of bowhunter ARE compound hunters. IF there is an overcrowding issue - thats the reason, isn't it ?

Oh - one other thing. A crossbow doesn't have the range of a compound, its much heavier, louder and is truly a 1 shot bow. You can't stalk with one really because they're so bulky and heavy. So to say they're not at least on the same level as compounds is silly and to compare them to handguns ? You need sleep, because you're imagining things. And like most others - I bet you've never shot one nor hunted with one nor shared the woods with them like I have.
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Old 06-03-2005 | 02:03 AM
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ELKINMTCWB - you're reading what you want to then. I've said time and again that the modern compound bows have revolutionized archery - they have driven archery beyond anything anyone could have imagined, recruited millions of bowhunters, opened up seasons, created industry and because of them archery demands some political attention.

Compounds are NOT bad - they are vastly different than a TRAD bow, but not evil. If your'e a purist, an elitist, then yeah, you probably think compounds are too much bet hey, they're here, right ? And crossbows are the Devil ! But thats crazy, one sided thinking and the roots of it is selfishness.

Come to Arkansas. Use a crossbow, or a compound, or a longbow or recurve. Hell, choose one today and a differnt one tommorow ! It don't matter - you got the same 4 1/2 months of archery that I do and the same tags - fill them however you want to, it don't make no difference in my hunting at all.


Now ponder this. For eveyone who's saying there is POTENTIAL for overcrowding in archery season be very careful what you're asking for. The vast majority of bowhunter ARE compound hunters. IF there is an overcrowding issue - thats the reason, isn't it ?

Oh - one other thing. A crossbow doesn't have the range of a compound, its much heavier, louder and is truly a 1 shot bow. You can't stalk with one really because they're so bulky and heavy. So to say they're not at least on the same level as compounds is silly and to compare them to handguns ? You need sleep, because you're imagining things. And like most others - I bet you've never shot one nor hunted with one nor shared the woods with them like I have.
so how many times have you said this.......
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Old 06-03-2005 | 05:32 AM
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so how many times have you said this.......
Its worth saying over and over and over
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Old 06-03-2005 | 06:21 AM
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Compounders could pick up a REAL bow too if they wanted to, couldn't they ? but they want their easy
Trad guys could shoot REAL deer if they wanted to, but they like their doe and Dinks to make the hunt easier, then tell the world how hard it is to shoot a spottie with a stick.

I have a few trad guys in my shop, and I LIKE the guys.....I really do. They come in with a doe or 4 pointer and see a hammer on the wall and start to admire it. Then they ALWAYS ask........Coumpound??....I say yup.......Then they ALWAYS reply......AHHHHHH thats to easy!


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Old 06-03-2005 | 06:27 AM
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I have a few trad guys in my shop, and I LIKE the guys.....I really do. They come in with a doe or 4 pointer and see a hammer on the wall and start to admire it. Then they ALWAYS ask........Coumpound??....I say yup.......Then they ALWAYS reply......AHHHHHH thats to easy!
But wasn't it you Rack, that said you stick was a dink magnet?

Nope I'm wrong. I found the quote
Only if you keep the same standards. I had a bad year last year with my compound. I wish I had my recurve with me....................LOL............I know for a fact a couple dinks and some doe would of bit the dust - I was a dink magnet
It's actually you who's the dink magnet
Sorry, had to rub it in since I've been looking at the picture of your beast and broken shoe laces for a year.
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Old 06-03-2005 | 06:43 AM
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Compounders think that they are in the same little niche as trad bowhutners. They are wrong. And yet - they bristle when crossbow hunters say they are in the same niche as compounders - do you not see the irony there ? Who's not seeing what here ?
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I think this quote of yours sums it up best. This is exactly where I see the opposition of crossbows coming from. I actually hear less opposition from trad shooters I know then I do from compound hunters. It seems the "old school trad community" if you will, has experienced one revolution already and are accepting crossbows as the progression of the sport, while a large number of "modern bow hunters" see it as an end all. It is not an end all. It will be in time, a pivital point in bowhunting where the sport is strengthened to a new level.
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Old 06-03-2005 | 07:08 AM
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One of the the things with Data that is so hard to discuss is because he feels so strongly that since he sees no issues or difference beteween crossbows and compounds that he is blind to any intelligent argument you make. he dismisses EVERYTHING as if a compound can than a crossbow should.

I believe strongly that crossbows should be legal hunting weapons in EVERY state. I also believe strongly that they should not be lumped into the "Archery season". Does adding new seasons hurt hunting? I don't believe so, it diversifies our hunting options and allows for new styles, methods, skills and weapons to be learned. When you hunt archery, use a type of bow. ML season.. a type of muzzleloader, and firearm season a type of gun. Crossbow is a unique weapon .. very bow "like" and similar in many ways to a compound, but it is a unique weapon. Embrace that... don't try to convince everyone it is exactly the same. It's not, it is unique and different and that does not make it bad. For those few states that allow crossbows during archery season AR, OH I forget the 3rd and now Tennessee this year ... many others are managing them as a unique weapon. Don't lump them into firearms season if that doesn't satisfy you... MAKE their own season.

In Ohio, they divide their harvest among "Vertical Bows" and "Crossbows". They have all the "bows" in 1 category and they seperate crossbows in another. They are not the same. Not 1 state in the country seperates traditional equipment use from compounds, as they are considered bows. Even in states that allow crossbows during archery, they are considered different and factored seperatly. In that .. you could find an issue "archers" could support. A Crossbow season, and it may be just as long and equal in every way to archery season or made different if required. Instead of making hunters "choose" between crossbows or bows... which is what you are advocating for, they could concievably hunt both seasons.

If you were more well travelled ... you would see what it is you are fighting for. Not all states are trying to reduce deer herds ... many, including huge hunting tradition states like PA and VT and NH here in the North East would like to see increases in the deer herd. It is only a very small sample of states that allow whackem and stackem seasons. Listen bagging a deer in these states with a bow, even with 3 month seasons is a challenge, reducing those seasons further would make "true archery" success difficult. Instead of shackling crossbow hunters and the inevitable shortening of the season to archery hunters, if they had their own season, their influence could be shared by reducing ALL hunters time to compensate for them.

Isn't that fair and right?
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Old 06-03-2005 | 07:15 AM
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Good Post Ma Jay


It's actually you who's the dink magnet
They Like me for some reason
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Trad guys could shoot REAL deer if they wanted to, but they like their doe and Dinks to make the hunt easier, then tell the world how hard it is to shoot a spottie with a stick.

I have a few trad guys in my shop, and I LIKE the guys.....I really do. They come in with a doe or 4 pointer and see a hammer on the wall and start to admire it. Then they ALWAYS ask........Coumpound??....I say yup.......Then they ALWAYS reply......AHHHHHH thats to easy!
See, thats unbelievable to me. Its all about the horns and the size of the buck, isn't it ? Thats truly sad and another nail in the coffin.

Here's a news flash - its harder to kill a small buck with a recurve than a big buck with a compound. THAT'S why you see what you see. Me ? I'm more proud of my trad killed animals than any of my compound kills - by far.

MA Jay - I've fought this battle for over 3 years now - the crossbow issue and being one of the few compound hunter (and now trad hunter) that accepts crossbows with open arms. I have formed a very solid backing to my argument - that crossbows are no more a "danger" to the sport of bowhunting than compounds are.

Do you think compounds should have a seperate season than trad bows ? Why ?

If you were more well travelled
LOL !! If you only knew. I've been to and lived in 40+ states, Mexico, and Venezuela. I've hunted at least a dozen differnt states including AR,MO,KS,NY,SD,CO and others. I've hunted with a crossbow, a rifle, a handgun, a compound and trad bows. I've killed elk, mule deer, antelope and whitetails. I've lived in crossbow legal states and ones that don't allow them in archery season. Is that credentials enough ? I worked contracting for year in telecom - Cougar Mag knows my indusry and what I've done. Nortel employees don't sit still very long !

I KNOW there are variances from state to state. Example - PA. I've read the state on how many hunters they have, how many bowhunters they have ......... and its because of the compound they have them isn't it ? What you fear with the crossbow - inviting many more hunters into archery season with the attraction of an easier to use weapon - dude its already here !! Can't you see that ?
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There seems to be a lot of confusion about how many and which states allow crossbows. Here is the latest list that I have in my possesion. Perhaps it will help out.


CROSSBOW REGULATIONS STATE BY STATE AND PROVINCE BY PROVINCE

ALABAMA: May be used by all hunters during archery season. For more info go to: www.dcnr.state.al.us

ALASKA: May be used for big game or small game during general season. Not permitted during archery-only season. Permitted for archers with disabilities. For more info go to: www.state.ak.us

ARIZONA: May be used for big game or small game during general seasons and during H.A.M. (Handgun, Archery, Muzzleloader) and fishing. For more info go to: www.gf.state.az.us

ARKANSAS: Classified and permitted as part of the state’s archery deer season. Also permitted for small game, predators and fishing. For more info go to: www.agfc.state.ar.us

CALIFORNIA: May be used for big game during general firearms season. Permitted for small game. Permitted for archers with disabilities. For more info go to: www.dfg.ca.gov

COLORADO: May be used for big game during general firearms season and for small game birds. Permitted for archers with disabilities. www.wildlife.state.co.us

CONNECTICUT: May be used by the physically challenged during hunting season. For more info go to: dep.state.ct.us

DELAWARE: May be used by the physically challenged for big game during the general firearms season and shotgun season. Crossbows permitted for anyone Monday through Friday of November shotgun season and any gun season in December and January. For more info go to: www.dnrec.state.de.us

FLORIDA: May be used for big game during the general firearms season and any season for archers with disabilities. Permitted for small game. For more info go to: www.state.fl.us/gfc

GEORGIA: Permitted for use by anyone during any season where archery equipment is allowed. Permitted for fishing. For more info go to: www.dnr.state.ga.us

HAWAII: Permitted for big game and small game on private lands only and for archers with disabilities.. For more info go to: www.hawaii.gov/dlnr/dcre/home.htm

IDAHO: Permitted during the general firearms season for big game. Permitted for small game and fishing. For more info go to: www.state.id.us/fishgame

ILLINOIS: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. Permitted for fishing. For more info go to: dnr.state.il.us

INDIANA: May be used during the late archery season by anyone for does only. Permitted for fishing. Permitted for use by the physically challenged in the early archery season. For more info go to: www.state.in.us/dnr/fishwild/index.htm

IOWA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to: www.state.ia.us/dnr/fwdiv.htm

KANSAS: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. Permitted for small game. For more info go to: www.kdwp.state.ks.us

KENTUCKY: Permitted for use during any legal season for legal game. Permitted for fishing. For more info go to:www.state.ky.us/agencies/fw/kdfwr.htm

LOUISIANA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged and archers over 60 during archery season. For more info go to: www.wlf.state.la.us

MAINE: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon. For more info go to: www.state.me.us/ifw

MARYLAND: Permitted for use by the physically challenged and archers over 65 during archery season. May be used by any hunter during the firearm and muzzle loading season as well as some parts of the archery season. For more info go to: www.dnr.state.mi.us

MASSACHUSETTS: Permitted for use by the physically challenged by permit only. For more info go to: www.state.ma.us/dfwele/dfw

MICHIGAN: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. May be used by any hunter during the firearm season for bucks only. For more info go to: www.dnr.state.mi.us

MINNESOTA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to: www.dnr.state.mn.us

MISSISSIPPI: Permitted for use by the physically challenged and archers over 65 during archery season. For more info go to: www.mdwfp.com

MISSOURI: Permitted during regular firearms season and small game seasons. Permitted for fishing. Permitted for use by the physically challenged in archery season. For more info go to: www.conservation.state.mo.us

MONTANA: Permitted for regular firearms season. Permitted for small game and predators. For more info go to: fwp.state.mt.us

NEBRASKA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery and regular firearms seasons. Legal during deer and pronghorn season for anyone. For more info go to: www.ngpc.state.ne.us

NEVADA: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon. For more info go to: www.state.nv.us/cnr_menu.htm

NEW HAMPSHIRE: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season and anyone during the firearms season. For more info go to: www.wildlife.state.nh.us

NEW JERSEY: Permitted for use by the physically challenged only. For more info go to: www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw

NEW MEXICO: Permitted for use by the physically challenged only. For more info go to: www.gmfish.state.nm.us

NEW YORK: Permitted by the physically challenged during archery season if they qualify. For more info go to: www.dec.state.ny.us

NORTH CAROLINA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to: www.state.nc.us/Wildlife/

NORTH DAKOTA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more information go to: www.state.nd.us

OHIO: Classified as part of the state’s archery deer season. Permitted for all legal game except waterfowl. Permitted for fishing. For more info go to: www.dnr.state.oh.us

OKLAHOMA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to: www.state.ok.us/~odwc

OREGON: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon. Permitted for fishing and non-game animals. For more info go to: www.dfw.state.or.us

PENNSYLVANIA: Permitted for disabled hunters and all hunters during bear, elk and any firearms deer season. Also during the muzzle loading season and in most urbanized areas of the state during archery season. For more areas included and other info go to: www.pgc.state.pa.us

RHODE ISLAND: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to: www.state.ri.us/dem

SOUTH CAROLINA: Permitted during archery and firearms seasons with the exception of areas 1, 2 and 4, and wildlife management areas. For more info go to: www.dnr.state.sc.us

SOUTH DAKOTA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to: www.state.sd.us/gfp/

TENNESSEE: Permitted for use by all hunters during archery season. For more info go to: www.state.tn.us/twra

TEXAS: Permitted for use by a person with upper limb disability during archery only season for deer and turkey. Any person may use a crossbow during a general open firearm season and for exotics. For more info go to: www.tpwd.state.tx.us

UTAH: Permitted for use by the physically challenged. For more info go to: www.nr.state.ut.us

VERMONT: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season and by anyone during the gun seasons. For more info go to: www.anr.state.vt.us

VIRGINIA: Permitted for use during any legal season for legal game. Permitted for fishing. For more info go to: www.dgif.state.va.us/

WASHINGTON: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to: ww.wa.gov/wdfw

WEST VIRGINIA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. For more info go to:www.dnr.state.wv.us

WISCONSIN: Permitted for use by the physically challenged and hunters over 65 years of age during archery season. Permitted for fishing. For more info go to: www.dnr.state.wi.us

WYOMING: Permitted for use during any legal season for legal game. Permitted for fishing. For more info go to: gf.state.wy.us

CANADA:

ALBERTA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. May be used by any hunter during the firearm season. For more information go to: www.bov.ab.ca/env

BRITISH COLUMBIA: : Permitted for use during all archery seasons. Considered to be regular archery equipment. For more info go to: www.gov.bc.ca/elp/

MANITOBA: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. May be used by any hunter during the firearm season. For more information go to: www.gov.mb.ca.natres/wildlife/index.html

NEW BRUNSWICK: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon. For more information go to: www.gov.nb.ca

NEWFOUNDLAND: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon. For more information go to:

NORTHWEST TERRITORIES: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon.

NOVA SCOTIA: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon.

ONTARIO: Permitted for use during all archery seasons. Considered to be regular archery equipment. For more info go to: www.mnr.gov.on.ca

PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND: Permitted for use during all archery seasons. Considered to be regular archery equipment. For more info go to:

QUEBEC: Permitted for use by all hunters during the archery season in some zones. May be used by any hunter during the firearm season. For more information go to: www.fapaq.gouv.qc.ca.

SASKACHEWAN: Permitted for use by the physically challenged during archery season. May be used by any hunter during the firearm season.

YUKON: Not recognized as a legal hunting weapon.
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