DJH -

Preach to YOUR choir, too.

I have seen the ugliest, most slanderous remarks with regards to compound hunters in these crossbow discussions.

Xbow advocates cry foul when they are called lazy or unmotivated. Then they turn around and call compounders inept and unethical. Which does more to hurt hunting?

[quote]What I'm getting at ........ the bowhunting doesn't really change much ( tree stand hunting ) be the weapon a crossbow or compound. The HUNT is getting within 20 yards, isn't it ? For me it would change everthing, the only way you would get me in the woods with a xbow or compound would be if it was jambed up my A$$. OUCH

thesource - I am sorry that you found my previous post so inflammatory. But if you go back and read what I wrote you should agree. I refuse to hate you because you are a vertical bowhunter and I support the crossbow. I support all forms of hunting with all hunting tools! I use a Renegade compound to bring down my animals and am extremely efficient with it.

But as hunters, we must focus on the true enemy of the modern hunter. And that, my friend is not the person that chooses to hunt with the crossbow. Instead it is the evil, maniacal extremist that wants to see all hunting come to an end. There is nothing that give our true enemy more glee than to see the kind of debate that is happening on this thread. It makes their day and delivers them pure ecstasy. And we sit here at our computers like dense red-necks and play right into their hands. I do not care if you hunt grizzly bears with a sharpened pencil. If that is what you want to do, I will fight for your right to do so. Now, I must admit that I won’t hunt with you! That is not my kind of hunting! But still I will fight for your right to hunt that way because you are my brother and any kind of hunting is good in my book.

More and more folks are realizing that the person that hunts with a different method or weapon is not the real enemy. It is those who struggle to stop ALL FORMS of hunting we should fear. But to strike out against another hunter because you don’t approve of the way he hunts or the weapon he uses is not only hypocritical, it is ethically wrong. When you begin to understand who your real enemy is and who your real allies are, our fraternity will be stronger and more able to do battle with the true enemy of modern hunting. If we are to succeed at preserving our heritage we need all hunters working together for the benefit of all. I pray that you will think about this and decide that you are an ally to our hunting heritage rather than an enemy.

Everthing has it's place. Modern technology has taken over everything on earth , it just depends on what part of it you choose to use and where. You can't look down on someone for what they use or don't use. I would'nt hunt nightcrawlers with a candle,nor could I look down on them if someone else did. The ANTIs will never stop us , we will do that ourselves. With the land being gobbled up by developers we will soon run out of realestate to hunt or be overcrowed on what is left.

I have no issues with the compound bow, I used one last year. They have revolutionized archery - crossbows might be the next revolution ? I have posted quite a bit over there, ask LBR. Just maybe not under this username

2 things

#1 - vast majority of archers are compounders - and they've came into archery from being gun hunters over the last 2 decades. haven't they ?
#2 - if we're hurting that badly ......... we NEED new hunters in archery season. Crossbows seem to bring them in not unlike compounds have in the past. Thats a good thing - no two ways about it.

Dman man, thats exactly what the compound has done and you say its a bad thing ? Seriously ?


My personal insight says to NOT further fracture seasons into sub-seasons based on variations of bows or guns. Thats division - not good. And if you DO have facts to help support that idea, then surely we must also seperate the 95% of guys using compounds from the 5% or less that don't - right ?

Compounders thing that they are in the same little niche as trad bowhutners. They are wrong. And yet - they bristle when crossbow hunters say they are in the same niche as compounders - do you not see the irony there ? Who's not seeing what here ?

And one more point - ALL states allow crossbows. Thats fact, isn't it ? Maybe 1 doesn't ........ and I cannot remember which it is. Anyway, they ARE allowed everywhere, just not for everyone. That in itsself causes confusion and is hypocritical.

thesource - I don't doubt your stories, but ponder this. Almost NONE of the deer I killed with a compound would I have killed with a recurve/longbow. Thats the huge differnce I'm talking about here between compounds - crossbows - longbows/recurve. Say ...... you've hunted with a crossbow then ? If not ..... you're GUESSING you might have shot/killed thos deer, right ? Do you think a crossbow in your hands equals 100% success rate ?


I think you're misinterpreting - what I am doing is showing you that every remark you make on the crossbow, I can make on the compound. Every negative you speak of with a crossbow, so too are compounds. That you cannot see that is amazing to me.

I was asked ......... maybe 4 years ago now ? to prove why crossbows are bad. So I built an excel spreadsheet and made all the pro's and con's ......... and not just in equipment but in accuracy, ease of shooting, amount of time required to master ......... and I had a compound column, a crossbow column and a recurve/longbow one.

The compounds and crossbows were VERY much alike. The trad bows vastly different in almost every way.

recurver67 - maybe you'll break your collar bone on your shooting arm this fall ? And maybe you'll be so bummed about it as to want to go bowhunting with a dr's permit and crossbow and you'll soon realize that hey, the Hunt is virtually the same. The shot may be easier to make ....... but it is with a compound to vs trad bows, right ? Something to ponder as you continue bashing crossbows huh ?

datamax

All you do is say how bad compounds are. Compuonds are here to stay :{ There is no need to shove bow hunting down more by making xbows leagal . That makes no sense at all. You are saying we made bow hunting bad with compounds so we should just let xbows in. Just dont under stand.

Blow smoke for another 100 pages Data, as I said before, Don't call yourself a bowhunter if you use a crossbow. Bobby

You say "compound are here to stay" .......... like they are bad things ? You then say "shove bow hunting down MORE " ............. what do you mean there ?

I did not - nowhere have I said that. However, reading the above, you certainly are HINTING at it, aren't you ?

Define bowhunter - one who hunts with a bow ? What is a bow Bobby ? I'll you go to a dictionary and find that out yourself. If you're making up arbitrary defintiions ......... then a compound isn't a bow, and don't call yourself a bowhunter if you use one. See how easy that is to do, replacing "crossbow" with "compound" ?

They're all bows - like it or not and your State's G&F ruled that years ago.

Yes datamax I am hinting it[in regards to what you post in 90% of your post] I gess it is hard to keep all the BS strate. you have been saying it POST after POST. Most of your post are on how bad compuonds have taken away bow hunting as it was. So its so bad now lets just let xbows in to.

I use most every wepion out there.If I had to list who good they where to kill with in order.The xbow would be inbetwen handguns and shot guns. Whay up on the list from tards or compuonds.For the reason that xbows are eazy like a rifle,but they are quiet so you can go close to houses.But they are eazyer than a handgun to shoot and make good hits.