RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics
 

Big Country, I suspect that when you adjust the pin setting for each arrow weight to get the best kill zone out to 30 yards, the margins would be much lower.

Also, any chance you can do these with the same bow, just different arrow weights? That would be very enlightening info I believe.

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics
 

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Quite frankly, I've seen more people give up on bowhunting in total frustration because they tried to start out with the fastest rigs they could put together. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Well you know what. If anyone is so pathetic that they quit bowhunting because they got a little frustrated well then they aren't much of a hunter in the first place and the sport certainly isn't losing much. Now contrarily I have seen people decide to quit bowhunting because their slow pathetic equipment wouldn't make up for their lack of experience in judging distance(no one starts out perfect) and they wound up wounding deer so they gave up. But not just because they were #$@#!~ and got a little frustrated so they quit. However, in this case I can see that happening.<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle> After all you know what they say if you can't beat them, quit?????????????

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

Edited by - silentassassin on 09/17/2002 13:37:19

Edited by - Rob/PA Bowyer on 09/17/2002 14:46:17

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics
 

Great thread. As you can tell by my handle I'm not much of a &quot;speed&quot; shooter but I'd like to add my two cents. I owned a bow shop a few years back and decided that if I was going to sell compounds then I needed to shoot them enough to know something about them. Since I only shoot to prepare for hunting all of my set-ups were based on hunting. I hunted two seasons with a compound & sights in 4 states and had 6 shots at deer and killed 6 deer. Those bows were no where near the accuracy of the bows I see people shooting today. You IBO type guys are shooting incredible accurate and fast bows and even with your under 400gr. arrows you have all you need for whitetails.

I believe you should know how far your shooting if your going to use that type of equipment and never allow your equipment try and make up for your personal shortcomings in judgement. I use 75 to 80# longbows and recurves with 750 to 800gr. arrows for all of my hunting. As somebody early in this thread said, your arrow can only go through an animal once and that's what mine do. Use what your accurate with and &quot;know&quot; your deadly with. I'd rather see speed than all of the post I saw here and on another thread last season about all of the wounded deer. Hit them right and kill them. (If something goes wrong...DON&quot;T POST IT!!)

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What's pathetic is people with more mouth than brains. Someone that claims to be a shooter for a 'major manufacturer' but never bothers to respond with helpful advice when someone asks a question dealing with a problem with that manufacturer's products. Someone that derides someone else's point of view without ever making a valid counterpoint.

THAT is what's pathetic, silentassassin. I don't doubt you've seen people quit archery, but I do seriously doubt you've ever lifted a finger to help them out.

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics
 

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Well you know what. If anyone is so pathetic that they quit bowhunting because they got a little frustrated well then they aren't much of a hunter in the first place and the sport certainly isn't losing much.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Geez, I never thought of it that way. Just the other day, a friend of mine's nephew (14 yrs old) was real depressed with his shooting. He hadn't hunted deer yet with a bow and was talking about giving it up and just using a gun. I spent a few minutes looking at his set-up and realized that his centershot and nock were so far off, he didn't have a chance to shoot consistantly. After a few adjustment and about 10 minutes, he was shooting pretty good.

If I had only realized that he was nothing but a pathetic little twerp, I would have just told him he'd never amount to much of a hunter and he should definitely give up shooting a bow. Well, when the next frustrated shooter comes along, I'll know what to say.

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics
 

Quote&quot; I wasn't there so I can't say for sure&quot;. Not all deer drop to the ground, guess you've never encountered a spinner. Deer on the fringes of suburban areas are less prone to jumping a bow from the sound. Hey beleive what you want, shoot what you want, it is America! Yes the deer I hunt have seen the Matrix, I saw them peeking through the window! If anyone beleives the one pin theory I would hope after one or two bad shots they have enough brains to figure it out.

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Hey Arthur,I would imagine the people that silentassin has encountered quit because of him.They probably figured everyone in this sport is as arrogant as he is and wanted no part of it.


I like my faster setup but I am comfortable with it.When I setup the newbie I will usually put them in the 240-250 range but will try to do it with carbon,especially those on the shorter draw side.

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Rangeball, yes I can do more tests with just one bow. I will do them this weekend. The reason I used different bows the first time is twofold. One, I did not have time during the first test to reset and tune the bow for the different arrows. And I did not want to cheat by using an untuned setup. And secondly, I may be wrong here, but my theory is that an arrow has no clue what got it moving, if it is the right spine, and the bow is tuned, all that matters is how fast it is going. What I am trying to say is that if I set up a Mathews, and a Hoyt to shoot the same arrow at the exact same speed, the arrow will follow the same path downrange.

ArturP, I pretty much knew what my results would be before I did my little test. I went through that speed is the answer to all of my troubles phase about 15 years ago. Luckily, it did not take me very long to realize that it is`nt. Don`t get me wrong, I still like to get from point A to point B without wasting any time, but I want it to be very drivable getting there.

Bowshopper, I`ll try to address your question concerning shooting from an elevated position. Without having done any actual testing, my answer is yes, shooting a VERY slow bow from a treestand will cause it to hit higher than it would from the ground. I recall practicing from my treestands when bows only shot 180-210fps and at 20yds. I would have to hold low with my 20yd. pin. With the speeds I shoot today, that is not nessessary.(and yes Frank, I was bending at the waist!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>)My question to you is this, why in the world would your buddy shoot at a deer that was looking at him?

More tests to follow!

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RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics
 

Why do some people have a problem with using one pin? What's the problem with knowing the distance (good range estimation) and holding appropriately? If you practice both, how is it so different from instinctive shooting? Personally I don't like all those pins in my way, too cluttered in the pin guard for me. If you keep it reasonable, here in Ohio 25 to 30 yds max, one pin is plenty.
I know that was a little off topic, but it was brought up a couple of times.

Phil.

Edited by - pdq 5oh on 09/17/2002 20:44:29