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RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics

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I can shoot muzzys out of my bow (337 f.p.s. thank you) but only on small game because I try harder on the big guys.

I prefer mechanicals because there are more pluses than negitives and I owe that to the game.

My personal distance limit is 42 yards because that is the point where my arrow begins to drop , which is why I shoot for speed.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I'm not doubting the validity of your statement, in fact I'm more curious than anything but it'd be nice to know your setup.
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fast equipment makes for less lost game because persons arent taking the same chance that we have ALL taken before...whether we admit it to ourselves or others or not!.
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I agree to point, as long as the quest for speed doesn't discount common sense for extremely light equipment......

The faster you can get a heavier arrow to travel, you better off you are. A spindly light arrow shouldn't be the answer for the quest for speed.

Mostly I agree with what you said, however I'm just clearing up a point so newbies don't think they can shoot a 250 grain arrow at animals just cause they have blazing speed.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

Rob

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Just because he is a friend doesn't mean I can read his mind or make excuses for his actions. Taking shots when they are looking at you is pushing the limit. Is it ethical? Not my call to make. This doe has very distinct markings (four white stockings) and a reputation for being arrow wise. She is alive and well with twins, waiting for the next sucker archer that passes by...

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics

Whackmaster,I never said that my test were field test.I have a program that shows the flight path of an arrow out of a given bow at a given weight at a given speed.It takes fletching and arrow sizes into account also.

Yes,I have done field test with my own equipment and everytime the program is dead on.I am a pretty good shot but a 1/4" at 40 yards is pushing it.This program will also make sight tapes for my scope and I have personally shot them out to 83 yards and the marks are dead on so the arrow flight chart would have to be pretty darn close.

Krisken,either you have skipped over a lot in this thread or totally disregard and don't beleive any of the information.That is your choice but I have to explain that an arrow starts dropping as soon as it leaves a bow,regardless of speed.This is what the pins are for.They compinsate for the drop.Your bow does not start dropping at 42 yards.It starts at the bow and will gradually but evenly drop more as it flies(as long as it is tuned properly).For instance,my bow will drop .5 inches per yard at 20 yards and at 60 will drop 1.7 inches per yard.Yours will be much less than that.(I did check to see what a 356 gr arrow would do and it is this.20 yards is .3 inches per yard and at 60 it is 1.1 inches per yard).But when you figure in rise and fall,the point of impact is very close with a fast setup or a slower setup.Unless you are going to complete extremes.Like 200 compaired to 300.I have tried to show that a person will have a given speed range at a given poundage and that range is not going to show a big difference in arrow trajectory.

I checked the trajectory of an arrow at 356 gr and 338 fps.

Sighted in at 25 yards it is 2.25" high at 13 yards and 2.25" low at 30 yards.

This may not be exact with your bow and setup but is going to be close.

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics

Straightarrow,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Geez, I never thought of it that way. Just the other day, a friend of mine's nephew (14 yrs old) was real depressed with his shooting. He hadn't hunted deer yet with a bow and was talking about giving it up and just using a gun. I spent a few minutes looking at his set-up and realized that his centershot and nock were so far off, he didn't have a chance to shoot consistantly. After a few adjustment and about 10 minutes, he was shooting pretty good.

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Please read the following paragraph.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Quite frankly, I've seen more people give up on bowhunting in total frustration because they tried to start out with the fastest rigs they could put together. A few of them have listened to me and moderated their setups, shooting slower arrows and are now doing quite well. Most have it in their head that if they can't shoot at least 270 fps, then they they don't have a chance to kill a deer<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

This would have led me to believe that we were referring to adults rather than children. I don't know many children that are pulling enough weight to shoot 270fps or that have the strength to even pull any "fast rigs" by todays standards. So obviously your nephew was not who that statement was directed at. Nor, do I believe it was the audience that arthur was reffering to.

TFOX,

<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>That's pretty funny coming from you!!!!

Athur,

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Someone that claims to be a shooter for a 'major manufacturer' but never bothers to respond with helpful advice when someone asks a question dealing with a problem with that manufacturer's products. Someone that derides someone else's point of view without ever making a valid counterpoint. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Ok, I know that you are guilty of the second one but who is the first person that you are referring to???????

Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."

Edited by - silentassassin on 09/18/2002 11:39:24

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" I prefer mechanicals because there are more pluses than negitives and I owe that to the game. "

I'll challenge that - what pluses come from mechanicals over fixed blades ? And please don't give me the wind planing excuse - very few of us ever shoot in winds high enough to make a difference.
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Silentassassin, what would the difference be between helping a beginner archer whether they are young or old?

Edited by - BobCo19-65 on 09/18/2002 11:49:39

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Silentassassin, what would the difference be between helping a beginner archer whether they are young or old? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

How high is up?

I suppose you'll need to ask someone that has made reference to that issue. Since I have not, I will let someone that has answer your question.

Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."

RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>My personal distance limit is 42 yards because that is the point where my arrow begins to drop, which is why I shoot for speed. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I hope the feds don`t see your post then, for they will surely confiscate your bow to put into the Smithsonian Institute!
It is, to my knowledge, the only bow in the world that defies the laws of physics, and gravity!<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I can shoot muzzys out of my bow(337f.p.s thank you)but only on small game because I try harder on the big guys. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
WHAT! Never mind, I don`t want to know!

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I prefer mechanicals because there are more pluses than negatives, and I owe that to the game. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
OK, I`ll bite. I have no problem with the use of mechanicals(good ones)but please explain just what benefits or pluses they possess that make them superior to a good fixed blade?

Whackmaster, I went back and carefully reread my posts, and those from TFOX, and I don`t think they sounded that way. If mine sound to you like I am saying you should be a world class shooter to bowhunt, I apologize. I sure did`nt mean it like that. My tests results were achieved by shooting groups of arrows at each distance, then finding the average for that group. All of my groups were NOT within .5 inches. I did destroy 4 arrows in the process though!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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RE: Arrow Speed, Misjudged Yardage & Ethics

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>...but I have to explain that an arrow starts dropping as soon as it leaves a bow,regardless of speed.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Ummm, I thought that slow motion film showed that an arrow actually rises as soon as it leaves the bow, and then begins "falling" downrange? If this is true, then wouldn't some extra speed increase the distance downrange before the arrow started "falling"?

Doesn't really matter to me, I just know what my setup does downrange. Why it does it, who the heck knows, but it does work.

Those who wish to appear wise among fools, among the wise seem foolish.
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