BigJ, I normally find your posts intelligent,

but.... how you arrive that because a crossbow has a bow as "part" of the weapon that it is a "bow" escapes me.

You did it!!!!! YOU convinced me.

I sing praises to you, for you have shown me the light! How could I have walked through this earth for the rest of my days, not seeing how the crossbow is the better choice compared to all the other bows.

Its so effective, and so efficient, I am giving up my comound bows, selling my recurve, and buying this magnificent tool named the crossbow.

By September I will have the NJDFW just as convinced as you have convinced me.

Not through a tactful approach, but rather through persistance, and claiming I am right, refusing to take no for an answer!

By God, Im going to have all inferior weapons banned. Compounds, recurves, longbows. I see no need for using them when the technology just isnt there.

I will ban fish hooks for their inhumane methods. We shall use nets from so forth. Nets are much more efficient! I should be able to catch five times the amount of fish I caught before with those silly hooks and bait.

Let it be KNOWN that today is the day that DATAMAX and SILENTASSASSIN have set me free.

Praise be to the Lord, and praise be to those WONDERFUL MEN!

They have proven there is no better method for the management of our deer. All HAIL them!

Actually guys, I just cant sit here and debate you anymore, its a waste of my time....I gotta head out and take some pics of turkeys.

It was nice to chat with some people so passionate about their weapon of choice though. Oh wait, you guys hunt with recurves....silly me...It was nice to talk with some fellows so passionate about other peoples weapons of choice.

have a good one, and dont get the blood pressure too high, its just a weapon used to kill deer. Im sure if given the chance, we could kill a deer with a rock. So......
---Matt

How could I have walked through this earth for the rest of my days, not seeing how the crossbow is the better choice compared to all the other bows.

Its so effective, and so efficient, I am giving up my comound bows, selling my recurve, and buying this magnificent tool named the crossbow.

Not through a tactful approach, but rather through persistance, and claiming I am right, refusing to take no for an answer!

By God, Im going to have all inferior weapons banned. Compounds, recurves, longbows. I see no need for using them when the technology just isnt there.

I will ban fish hooks for their inhumane methods. We shall use nets from so forth. Nets are much more efficient! I should be able to catch five times the amount of fish I caught before with those silly hooks and bait.

Let it be KNOWN that today is the day that DATAMAX and SILENTASSASSIN have set me free.

Praise be to the Lord, and praise be to those WONDERFUL MEN!

They have proven there is no better method for the management of our deer. All HAIL them!

It was nice to chat with some people so passionate about their weapon of choice though. Oh wait, you guys hunt with recurves....silly me...It was nice to talk with some fellows so passionate about other peoples weapons of choice.

Have a good one, and dont get the blood pressure too high, its just a weapon used to kill deer.

ORIGINAL: silentassassin

From a range, trajectory, and KE standpoint they are less effective. I didn't say they wern't simpler to shoot I said they were less effective (i.e. you can't kill a deer as far with your crossbow as I can with my compound nor out shoot me with). No one, that I am aware of, ever implied they were simpler to shoot than trad equipment. I think they are even simpler to shoot than a compound but. But, when you take a guy that's really good and put a compound that's infinitely tunable in his hand and you take a guy thats really good and put crossbow in his hand, the guy with the compound is going to wax the crossbow guys @SS every time. That doesn't imply IMO that I think they would have a lower success rate than trad equipment but that was a nice try

I'm not comparing the effectiveness of the xbow to traditional, I'm comparing it to the effectiveness of compounds.

Why allow another inferior weapon into archery season?

Why allow another inferior weapon into archery season?

The problem I see with crossbows having there own season is the bow hunters would have a fit if their season was shortened for crossbows. Could you imagine if the crossbowers were given the first two weeks of the season, having first crack at all of those big bucks you guys have been scouting all year? I can feel the collective blood pressure rise by just typing this. No wait, lets give them the first two weeks of the rut, again the bow hunters would blow their tops to know the crossbowers were out there when all of those elusive monster bucks stopped being elusive and started paying more attention to "what comes naturally". So when? Stick them at the end of the season when the rut is over but the food is scarce and the deer must feed longer into the mornings to get their fill and thus exposing themselves to the hunters? If I were to guess the last is what most would choose, afterall at least you all would have had your crack at all the good bucks and there would be nothing left but scraps for the crossbow hunters because after all they really aren't hunters anyway. No that's not too elitist is it?

Do you see the problem that some states would have? I am talking more about the states with very short (just two weekends) gun seasons like here in Illinois but it still could apply to most states.

Again the only logical season would be the archery season. Why do you ask? First because a crossbow is by it's definition a bow and because I have not seen any negative thing from the states that do allow crossbows in their seasons. So why would I expect to see it in mine?

But mostly I ask, why not? What do you stand to loose? This talk about a infusion of "slob" hunters is nonsence, it hasn't happened in the states that do allow them why would people think it would happen in their state? Too many deer would be killed? Hey by most accounts deer populations have been on the rise all over the nation and get this.....even in the states that have allowed crossbow hunters into the archery seasons. Go figure, how in the hell did that happen if all of those "slob" gun hunters picked up crossbows and marched into the woods as some of you would have us believe?

Again I ask...Why not?

"Well BigJ It's just not archery."

But the Websters dictionary says it is.

"It's not how archery was intended by the ones who started the bow hunting movement."

Neither were compounds but they were allowed to thrive.

"It's just not the same as pulling back your bow and holding it with your hand....errr release."

Yes it's not, but it still is a bow, just another form of one. Holding a shoulder mounted scoped rifle is not the same as a hand held pistol with open sights is it? I don't hear the pistol crowd saying rifle hunting should be separate from them because it's "just not the same" why, because they are both firearms.

"But BigJ, we can't let our pristine and sacred hunting fraternity be compromised by these "mouth breathing" cretins. How would that look when we are supposed to be the chosen ones in the hunting community?

Now we are getting somewhere! I bet most of you, when nobody is around to judge you are thinking just that.....sad but true, because as hard as you try, some of you just can't help it and it shows in your posts.