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:D LMAO- Thats the best reason I have heard yet.

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Are you serious ? I mean really, a crossbow I just proved is LEGAL ARCHERY EQUIPMENT in your state of NH. Sure, its only for handicap people, but none the less it IS LEGAL ARCHERY EQUIPMENT.

Do I need to bold and font that ? They are legal archery bows for anyone with a permit to use one.




Ugly ? Lets compare


Ugly is



Ugly is



Neither one of them is this gorgeous work of art, is it ? Puts perspective into what ugly really is, doesn't it ?

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MA Jay,

Thanks, for the clarification I was not sure about the rest of the country. I know the here in Illinois it is during the archery season and the kills count towards the archery totals.

To me the crossbow is a form of a BOW and not a form of a firearm and belongs in the archery classification, that's just me. I still see no harm if someone wants to use a crossbow or long bow or recurve or compound. It's still shooting some form of an arrow by the use of energy stored in the limbs and propelled by a string. It's pretty simple, the basics never change and that makes it more "bow like" than anything else.

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I used a crossbow once in my life and that was when I had a seperated shoulder in high school. Although I was glad I had that option at the time rather than having to miss a couple of weeks of prime time. Other than that I killed my first deer with a compound 16 years ago on my 14th birthday and I have taken the majority of my deer using a compound. I killed several with guns in my younger days though I rarely hunt with one anymore. My advocacy of crossbows does not come from my using one or wanting to use one because I have no desire to do so. I just don't think my personal preference should dictate everyone elses. A crossbow is a less efficient weapon than a compound IMO so I don't feel like I we are giving crossbow hunters any special advantage. IMO we are merely offering people another chance to be in the woods. I don't want to deny anyone that oppurtunity especially when the distinction between the perofrmance of the 2 weapons is so meniscule.

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BigJ12- I agree that a crossbow is more bow like than it is rifle like. I don't think they are evil or bad either.

Datamax .. if a crossbow is here in NH, then how come you and I can't hunt with them during archery season? Because the state makes an exception for disabled people, doesn't make it archery equipment. I am ok with it though, I can't park in the spots closest to the grocery store and I don't get a key to the special elevator here at work either .. those are for truly disabled people, just like crossbow usage in NH during archery season.

Funny .. but you do bring up a VERY good point though, and that is NH does allow guys like you and I to hunt with Crossbows... during the firearm season!!!!

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Well according to the regs you can also hunt with a compound during firearm season:eek:[:-]

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We are not privy to using those legal archery bows because we don't have a piece of paper signed. Kinda like saying restraunts are absolutly 100% no dogs allowed. Oh, well, thats not true, is it ? Seeing eye dogs are allowed.

Kinda like that ........... but you probably think they're dog free anyway, don't you ?

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Whats up with these new recurve bows? Something ain't right. Fancy exotic woods OR machined aluminum risers, optional factory installed stablizer bushings and drilled out for sights? Beefed up limb tips so the new no stretch string materials can be used instead of dacron. That ain't traditional archery Datamax!!! Its too easy. Too many advances in traditional equipment are hurting archery season. Oh yeah......traditional equipment archers using carbon arrows! Oh, the horror!!!

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Datamax... well I can agree with that! Crossbows are to handicapped hunters as seeing eye dogs are to the blind. If you are handicapped, you can use a crossbow to hunt during archery season, and if you are blind you can bring a dog into a restaurant.

Of course that means all the healthy people have to use bows to hunt archery and everyone who can see has to leave the dog in the truck!

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Silent you are right .. you can hunt with a compound, recurve or long bow during rifle AND muzzleloading season here in NH. But unless you are handicapped, you can only hunt with a crossbow during rifle season.

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MA Jay so dogs are allowed in restraunts and crossbows are allowed in archery season then ? May take a piece of paper (or dark sunglasses) but fact remains crossbows are legal archery equipment in NH.

Now Cougar - you might have noticed before me pointing at myself saying I wasn't as trad as I could be, and that the only REAL archers are self bowyers. Or did you ?

If I took the stand ya'll are taking (that my personal choices are as far as technology needs to be taken and everyone else be damned you better use what I use) then it would be SOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to hate compounds and all that they stand for, wouldn't it ? Its be SOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to take an elite attitude that because I shoot trad I'm better than you.

Hey, wait, thats what YOU GUYS are doing ! I'm a compound shooter, I'm better than crossbows. Don't let THEM into MY season. Put a little effort and work into your archery, shoot a compound, not the lazy man's way out and shoot crossbows.

Do you honestly not see that huge contradictions ? Do you not also see the parallel in views on who's better depending on what YOUR choices are ? Don't you see that it really doesn't frickin MATTER if crossbows are legal, that states such as AR,OH and GA have proven in the past 3 decades of honest to goodness 100% REAL stats that crossbows are not bad ?

And yeah, I shoot the recurve I currently shoot because it shoots best for me. I'm not to the level of self bowyers, but I am far removed from the days when I shot crossbows and far from the days when I shot compounds. I'm making it MORE difficult by the choice I make. If I wanted to kill deer I'd shoot a compound in archery season - they afford me the best chance at doing that and in fact, thats exactly what i did when I was in Kansas, but I chose that more for fear of wounding/missing.

I know why I choose my equipment - why don't ya'll belly up here and admit you choose compounds because they're easy ?

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It's what youv'e done since I've been around this forum!! As datamax , as Stealthycat , or whatever different name you use , the message has always been the same!:eek:

Still waiting for your answer on this...

Again , what is the negatives of allowing crossbows in a seperate season?

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i am not going to read through 26 pages of this argument however i think that cross bows should only be allowed after the bow season during muzzeloader. that is the way it is here in PA and i couldn't agree more.

where cross bows are far from being anything like hunting with a gun they are also nothing like a bow in my mind. traditional or compounds are what BOW season should be for. just like guns have their own seasons Xbows should to and it shouldn't be during the bow season. hell they have scopes on them and are more like a rifle then a bow in my mind

i know disabled (sp) people use them and that is great however like i said before it shouldn't be during bow season.

WHAT if you were 12 and where to weak to draw a bow back and couldn't pull the xbow sting back dose that mean it is okay to use a rifle during the bow season? i think not

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Hunting seasons are by design used to (A) manage herds while at the same time (B) maximize the enjyment of the hunters. Longbows/recurves have minimal impacts - archery as a totoal combined have minimal impacts but much more so that before the compounds. Compounds have flooded archery season with undedicated hunters who do not want to spend the time to learn to shoot a real bow (thats what your argument is, isn't it ? I'm simply taking its application to compounds)

But regardless, your crazy suggestion would also result in the ban of hunting with handguns (few use them) and singel shot rifles (few people use them). In fact, unless you shot the most common weapon used to kill animals with, under your ridiculous reasoning you could wave them away - right ?

Of course not - thats not logical though. I don't think you even put much effort into dreaming that flimsy thing up :D


I've posted them already. First you're asking to create a new season, say 4-6 weeks when the weeks just are not there in most states. And crossbows are already legal for handicap hunters, and we know that they have no negative effects in AR, OH and GA and others. You're also sayin gin essence that bowhunting doesn't need new bowhunters, that theres not strength in numbers and that the addition of crossbow hunters wouldn't be a good thing. A seperate season is unneccessary - are you wanting a seperate compound season too ? A seperate handgun season ? Take ti down to the manufacturer ..... we could have a Mathews season, a Bowtech season (not many deer would be killed in this one :)), a martin season .............

Theres a few points to ponder anyway.

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I choose compounds b/c it is what I know. I'm 28. When I started bowhunting at 13, compounds were already the rage and you couldn't find a recurve within 100 miles of here.

I enjoy shooting my compound. I have no desire to change. Sure, it would be "cool" to shoot a deer with recurve. But beyond that I have no boyhood fantasies of running through the woods with stick and string playing cowboys and indians.

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BWWWWWAAHHHHAAHAHAHHHAAAAAAAAAAA !!!

Compound had no place in archery seasons. The forefathers of archery fought for archery season and compounds invaded them and took over like no one ever thought possible.

And look how many people neglected to state why they use compounds ?

Because the answer is - its EASIER. Compounders want easier - they don't give a rats behind about them being vastly easier than traditional bows - but they don't want anyone else to have easier than they deem easy enough. Aint that amazing ?

Now we have anti-handicap sentiments ? Those are the ones I really like, statements that bash handicap hunters for doing whatever they need to to enjoy october archery hunting. Wow ......... that quote says a lot, doesn't it ?

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I'm 35 and I started to change at 32. Why ? I picked up my bow, went to the back yard after 9 months of not shooting it, and drilled arrow after arrow into the kill zone. What the #%@$#%# ? That was suppose to be tough - it wasn't. It was suppose to be fun - it wasn't really. I drew, placed the pins, held as long as I wanted to, released and the arrows stacked right in there.

Any one of you compounders could put your bows down for months and pick them up cold and shoot killing shots no problem. You know it, I know it.

And all the bells and whistles and new mathews and hoyts and all the radical horizontal limb technology (where BTW the limbs don't even function to ammount to anything anymore) etc etc - they're designed to make shooting EASIER with less practice. FASTER, QUIETER - more accurate .......... its what people want. Its what compounder demand.


Its what compounders don't want others doing unless its their way. Their way or the highway huh guys ? Forgetting all along that recurve/trad shooters allowed YOUR bows in at one time huh ?

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I put about as much effort in it as you did in this attempt to again slam compounds every chance you get! It got the result I figured it would too! You get a little testy and insulting when it's your chosen weapon mentioned in the "ban" sentence , dontcha?;)

Why wouldn't a seperate season for x-bow add more hunters??? If your going to debate logically , dont assume to just your benefit!! Who says a new seperate season for x-bows wouldn't draw more hunters?:eek:

Thats your best arguement for a seperate season? "It's unneccessary"

You can whine and bellow until your blue in the face. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows that a crossbow and compound aren't even close in classification.

Can anyone here shoot their compound lying on their belly like a snyper and hit what their aiming at? Didn't think so!
How many people here bowhunt out of their gun box blinds? How many could with a crossbow?
How many here can draw on a deer with their compound and have the deer stop before the opening , let down , and draw again without being detected? Not a problem with a crossbow is it?

Now since your so gung ho on pointing out that a compound isn't archery gear either maybe you'd like to throw some scenarios my way that totally seperates the compound from traditional gear? You want to debate the two (compound vs traditional) so lets avoid all the other crap and get right down to it. Dont use the "EASIER" crap either because you choose to use some of the same "bells & whistles" on your recurve and each choice has EASIER aspects to it.
What makes a compound bow "non archery" equipment?

Because I just happen to find compound shooting just as FUN and ENJOYABLE as I do trad gear!! Is that so hard to understand?

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HUH? Rifle hunters count as bowhunters? Not sure where you're going here, guy.

Why would you consider it a good thing for rifle hunters to also bowhunt? Are you (again) trying to make the argument that it is because hunting is on the decline that we should allow more liberal seasons and a wider variety of weapons?

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Bowfanatic, this is an excellent example of how the two are different, however please let me explain now how they also are different and similar ok.

First, it is pretty well known that a crossbow has an effective range out to 40yd tops! probably in the real world of hunting 30yds is more like it. So given that information, I think it would be pretty hard to crawl your way up to within shooting range on a deer to make a kill shot don't you? Can be done but you must be a pretty skilled hunter if you ask me.

Next, with a crossbow you have only one shot. I know I have missed a deer before and killed it with a second shot. Dosen't happen often but it does happen. With a crossbow you get one chance and only one so you must be very sure of your shot and confident in your ability. Again a pretty skilled hunter no?

If you ask me I think that makes the two different as well but with the easy edge going to the compound bow shooter. you still have to track stalk and read sign the SAME way as you would a compound bow. If fact I think the hunting approach would be EXACTLY the same as a compound bow hunter. So you must be just as skilled to hunt with and be succsessful with a crossbow as with a compound maybe even better because your range is not as far and you only have one shot (huh? a skilled hunter with a crossbow...some of you would rather die than admit that.)

Now as far as similarities go it is obvious and irrefutable. They both have limbs that store energy, they both use a type of arrow and both use a string to propel it.

Then you can also say that both use some type of trigger mechanism. both use the same type of sight (and I have seen red dots on compounds too)

Now I know they are not the same but they are closer to a compound bow than a firearm. I don't care if there is a sepatate season but I do know that the firearm and or compound bow people who's season is shortened to make a separate one for crossbows will not be happy at all. So if you have to pick one, the logical season would be the archery season. And I can see no reason why the different types of bows can't all be used in the same season...none.

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BOWFANATIC - Lets make a handgun season, seperate fromrifle hunters. Yeah, yeah, thats it, and we'll also make an inline muzzleloader season seperate from caplocks, and shotguns seperate from everything else ....... we'll have like 15 different weapons season. Aint that a grand idea ? Its what ya'll are suggesting - create another archery season for bows - right ?

How about we lop off 2/3's of the archery season and give to crossbows - good idea ?


I can shoot my recurve lying down, out of a box blind and don't even start on drawing before the deer gets inposition to shoot compared to a recurve !

So because I can do those things, and your bow doesn't, we should create a compound only season ? Or a recurve season ? What was your point ?

Uh........... have you LOOKED at your compound lately ? They don't even function like a recurve does anymore in the way they produce energy, they way they're drawn or their performance. But techically, they're still bows. Compounds most certainly ARE archery gear - just vastly different than recurves and crossbows ? Just another different bow.

You might ........... but your compound also allows you to shoot farther, faster, more accurately and with less practice. You can draw and hold, you got the trigger, the sights, the gizmo's and gadgets .......... I've been there, I might be there again, I KNOW how easy compounds are. You forgot to mention all those qualities.

My new gif image is what I did to you on the coffee thread vc :D

But absolutely, if you're a rifle hunter, go out in September and buy a bow, and kill a deer the first day of archery season you've just been tagged a bowhunter and have entered the statistics as a bowhunter. Itd be nice if, since you're bowhunting, you'd join a bowhunting club. You'll likely love it, and shoot 3D maybe, and certainly you'll be sucked into buying a bunch of bowhunting stuff. Come rifle season, you'll likely try and fill another tag or two with your trusty .270 but still, you've added to the ranks of bowhunting by participating in archery season.

Fred Bear coined the two season hunter idea 4 decades ago VC - and he was right in doing so. Until you can show me where increase in bowhunting numbers has a negative effect, than yes, I think increasing bowhunter numbers is a good thing. The anti-hunting forces of this world increase their numbers and someone has already mentioned that hunting participation is on the decline.

And I don't think I ever made the argument that " because hunting is on the decline that we should allow more liberal seasons and a wider variety of weapons? ". I may have referenced that but thats not my argument. Its an added bonus sure but not my core argument.

My core argument is that crossbows are seen to be bad because they are easy to shoot, they don't require a lot of effort to master, they have a different design but are still bows shooting arrows. Yet that is EXACTLY what compound are and in fact, the accuracy, mass weight, maneuverability etc etc of the compound makes them arguably a BETTER hunting weapon. Tack on that in AR, OH etc etc theres never been a single negative come from them being legal and you just gotta ask yourself ........... why NOT allow crossbows ?

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I see what you're saying, data.

I have to agree that it is interesting to make distinctions about how a given device is held or operated.

I live and hunt in Ohio. Although crossbows get no negative press, an awful lot of people consider a compound bow kill a bigger challenge than a crossbow kill.

With that in mind, in Ohio the crossbow has had no detrimental effect on the herd or whitetail hunting in general that I know of.

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I would say it is a bigger challenge ........ but not by much. Want a challenge ? Shoot a recurve/longbow. But most guys don't want THAT great a challenge, so they shoot compounds. They're comfortable with that decision, to shoot short range bows, all tricked out, and shoot them accurately without a lot of time devoted. Oh, some guys devote a lot of time, but most guys shoot a few shots in the weeks prior to archery season and thats that.

Hey, WAIT A SECOND ! Crossbow bowhunters do the SAME THING !

:D

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Datamax- as near as I can tell, there are 3 to 5 states that allow crossbow use legally for non-handicapped people during the archery season. So instead of your thinking that we, that being the archers who consider archery to only consist of conventional and compound bows, need to show you the "one negative to crossbows", it's you that needs to win over guys like me. Because the HUGE difference between your stance and mine is that I can hunt during archery season with my compound or recurve in ALL 50 states, but you can only hunt with a crossbow in 3 states legally during archery. Yes, many states make exclusion for handicapped, but guys like you and I who aren't handicapped, we need to use bows amd bows only in 47 states to hunt during archery season.

Think about it .. crossbows have been around for far longer than guns. Why haven't they been allowed as legal hunting weapons until just recently in most states? Guys have been hunting with bows, even compunds, legally during archery season for over 60+ years. Why not crossbows? If they are same or equal, why the exclusion if even today you and I can't use a crossbow legally in 47 states during archery season??

I don't know why crossbows were and are left off the list of acceptable "archery equipment" in almost every state .. and to be honest I don't care much. If crossbow hunters want access to archery season though I know one thing ... they'll have to become much better at convincing people than you, or the license lines in AR, OH and Ill will be filled with crossbow guys looking for tags .. while the woods in the early season in all the other 47 states will have treestands filled with bow hunters.

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Awefully good questions. Shall we explore them and try to find the answers ? Or are we going to say "well, thats the way it has been, so we'll just continue it" ?

The answers lie mostly in the progressions of the compound bow. Even the bows made 10 years ago don't compare ANYHING to like we see on the markets today. Do the limbs even more on the new Outbacks and Bowtechs ? Look at all the gadgets as well. Compounds have eclipsed what anyone could have imagined, haven't they ? And they're also responsible for archery season being as popular as it is. The ease in which compounds can be shot is not fiction - its fact, and its provable simply by looking at the stats.

So I suppose up until 10 years ago, maybe 15 years, the old P&Y hand held, hand drawn, in the presence of game blah blah blah might have been true to a point. But now ? With 85% letoffs, blazing speeds, ultra light, ultra quiet, triggered releases, and all the other gizmos and gadgets ? The bucket has been poked full of holes and the argument that compounds are harder don't hold water anymore.


Is that so ? Look at the responses on this thread alone. Severl guys stepping up saying hey, you know what ? Let those guys choose crossbows, won't effect me. 2 years ago even on this site you'd have not seen a single person saying that. would you have ?

G&F groups are realizing that AR, OH and the other states are seeing more involvement in archery season with legalization of crossbows - and they're legalizing them in their states much to the distress of compounders, which oddly enough required the same kind of forethought 40 years ago when they were legalized much to the distress of trad shooters.

Mississippi WILL legalize crossbows. So will LA, MO, IL, and all the other states in time. IF there is ever a negative impact, I am betting technology will be finally, at last, reigned in and there will be a seperationg of archery season (trad shooters) and high tech archers (compounds/crossbows) or they will make gadgets like triggered releases, sights, scopes etc etc illegal to try and take archery back a step. Just my ideas on what might come.

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Datamax - I agree that things are going to change in the near future, and do think crossbow hunters will get more and more opportunities available to them. I think that states like Maryland have the right answer in place already, a seperate Crossbow season that overlaps a portion of archery season. I don't think adding crossbows during a portion of archery season is going to affect harvest totals much, and if you can make up the difference in lost hunters with some new ones it may help some states meet management goals.

As I said before, they are viable hunting weapon that has a history for taking game ethically that goes back hundreds of years. I also don't dispute that a crossbow is not as effective as a compound, or even a long bow in the hands of a skilled archer. Hell, the English proved that almost a thousand years ago when the long bow smoked all the crossbow guys and armored knights back in medieval times.

Your point about "splitting" all the season up is a bit off though. Every other viable hunting weapon has already been accounted for. ML's, pistols, rifles, shotguns and bows all have their appropriate season. It's the crossbow guys that are left on the outside looking in.

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moose1915 - Gawd, tell me about it. They just don't know what reasoning is do they ? :D

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I'm not picking sides, i think youre ALL nuts!

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Not in AR, OH, GA and a couple of others and handicap people can use them.

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I'm not going to say make the x-bow legal or not but I I think in Illinois it would have a limted effect of bringing more people into huntin. The main reason I say this is because Illinois has a growing number of people shooting in the archery season and a growing deer harvest every year via the bows that are currently legal. Now, I think if you were to legalize it you would see many of the two season hunters sell their bows and switch to crossbows because a lot of them do just own that bow for longer season. Perhaps a happy medium is what the bill is in the house right now in Illinois to allow hunters under the age of 18 to use an x-bow since some can't pull 40 pounds. That being said I think most 18 year olds could pull 40 pounds, I could as a 13 year old that weighed maybe 85-90 pounds and that was a old 50% let of Browning nomad that had to long of a draw for me (It was my brothers bow). Yes, I was a very skinny kid.
The only other thing that might make some continue to shoot longer is perhaps making them legal for folks over 70 or some other age. I don't know what would be approbriate on that side because there is such a variety of issues. THis would get rid of the doctors note, which in Illinois is about as easy to get as going to the doctor and asking for one.


Illinois used to have a seperate handgun Doe season in January but this year they allowed all firearms into the late 3 days season. Don't think it really mattered much but that is a lottery draw so it is possible not to get a permit which could force the handgunners out. That is not a nice thing either. Who knows what the future holds with that. With the new muzzleoaders around these days shooting out at 200 yards you will start wondering when the rifle hunters will start pushing for legalizing .444's rifles for hunting. Effective Range is probably less than the new inlines.

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You can shoot your recurve lying down in snyper position?[:o] Guess that puts you and your recurve in with the crossbow category huh? You must hunt out of some awefully big box blinds to be able to avoid your limb hitting the wall of the blind? You also must shoot a minimum of 30yds unless the walls of your box blind are 2ft high.
Uhhh , why not "start on drawing before deer gets in position"? You want to compare compounds to crossbows but your unwilling to even talk about the obvious differences? Typical! It's why some have fallen out of this debate because you refuse to listen to common sense. You want to debate? Debate like you got a pair and start debating EACH and EVERY aspect of your claims when countered!

My point was pretty obvious to other members! I'll spell it out just for you. That which I listed along with what others have mentioned are what seperates a compound bow from a crossbow. Your real quick to point out the differences between a compound and recurve but are unwilling to admit the vast differences the seperate the crossbow from both the compound and recurve!

Lets see? Your half right on energy producing. The limbs are still a functioning part of producing energy just like a recurve. I believe the "WAY their drawn" is still the same! Grab string and pull back to full draw. Do they (compounds) have the edge for "performance" as you say? Sure , when in the hands of the right archer.

Oh yeah I forgot , they "ARE" archery gear. It's just , oh how did you put it , "real bowhunters use trad gear" ? Vastly different than crossbows yes!

"Shoot farther"? We're talking about hunting right? "Faster"? Who gives a crap? Not me! A fast moving arrow will kill a deer or miss a deer the same as a slow moving arrow. "Less practice"? Sure! Although not to the extent your always bringing up. When I set my compound down for a few months and pick it up again my rustiness shows at the range. I can do the same with my recurve and it might take an hour instead of ten minutes to be stacking arrows at my desired hunting distance.
As for the "gizmos and gadgets" I use a release , rest , and sight. How many of those three do you use on your recurve?
How about the compound shooter who shoots with fingers and no sights? Are they real bowhunters?

First , I dont believe anyone here said "crossbows are bad"!:eek: Some of us just feel they would be better off in a seperate season from the general archery season except for the handicapped.
Your problem here is your unability to admit that crossbows are NOT in general the same as compounds!
Your entire arguement is based on "the crossbow is easy , well so is a compound" while you blatantly ignore the facts seperating the two weapons.
I'm all for allowing a seperate crossbow season or allowing it during our gun hunt.

We (Wi) have deer hunting from the middle of September to January 3rd , theres plenty of room to add a crossbow season in there somewhere.

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Please list just ONE thing that has made todays compound bows more accurate than compound bows form 10 years ago. How about 20 years ago?:eek:

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I got more positions than a hooker on a runway with my bow :eek:

But yeah, overall you're right, shooting a recurve IS more difficult - that was your point, wasn't it ?

My God man, you seriously shoot fingers ? 95% or more compounders clip a triggered release onto the string or loop and use their wrist/arm/shoulders to draw. Fingers are only used to trigger the release.


Look at the thread on shooting distance - you'll quicklu realize guys will shoot 40-50 yards and beyond with their compounds, no problems. And they shoot that distance incredibly accuraltey too ! Thanks to the modern compound bow

My God man, you REALLY think I put sights and a rest on my recurve ? I actually tried shooting a recurve with a release last year - not a good experinece !

Finge shooting, no sights compound guys are rare to almost non-existant. They're taking a much more difficult course to killing deer than you are though. Like I've said before, only self bowyers know what TRUE archery is. I'm not there yet, you're not even close :D


Higher tech machined risers. Solo cam technology. Split limbs. Fiber optic sights that are BTW AMAZING ! Drop away rests. Cam and ahlf technology. SIMS from hell. The triggered releases nowdays are fantastic too. Carbon in the risers/limbs. High Country's carbon bows are way cool. Horizonal limb technology that is basically a vertical crossbows with the wheels/cams doing all the work with very little limb movement. Bows are short ATA nowdays. Much more center shot. High brace heights.

The design changes are endless., the technolgoy having come a LONG way.

They are such that dang near anyone can pick one up and be shooting 10 for 10 in the lungs of a McKensie at 20 yards in 30 mintues.

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does anyone know the record for most pages on a thread. this has to be close? does anyone know the record for a thread with the most pages that mattered?

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Wanna make this thing go 50 pages ?

#1 - Chuck Adams is a living bowhunting GOD
#2 - I hate ATV's with a passion and put sugar in every tank I find
#3 - mechanical broadheads should be outlawed
#4 - P&Y and PBS SUCK
#5 - did you hear they're going to legalize crossbows in __________ this fall ?

:D:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

chuck adams is god MY OPINION
i like atv's MY OPINION
mechanical i dont use them MY PREFERENCE
pbs tv channel?? I BLOCKED IT CUZ ITS USELESS INFORMATION ABOUT CRAP THAT IS OLD
crossbows in............... HAWAII? the surfers may not like that. that might get hit by a out of control bolt

:D

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

after further delibertion with myself i have decided to take the xgun and pour gasoline on it and use it as sacrificial material to the bowhunting gods that are frowning. this will take place in my front yard this afternoon.hopefully everyone will be forgiven and we will not face their wrath of the gods with arrows on fire with mechanical broadheads flying at speeds over 1000fps. may the gods show mercy on our worthless souls and spare us

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

AR guy ........... you'll go to hell for torching a crossbow, don't you know that ?

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

ONCE AGAIN! You avoid my points like the plague dont you. Why is that? Maybe because it makes your arguement weak?

Are you just plain ignorant to the mechanics required for top shooters? It has nothing to do with technology!
Please take another stab at showing us all how compound bows are more accurate today than 20 years ago!!
Quieter? Yep! But it just happens my quietest bow is my recurve![:o]
Faster? Yep! Has nothing to do with accuracy , in fact in alot of cases it hinders accuracy.
Longer range shooting? Once again you avoided my comparisons of the LONG shots that Fred Bear had taken at live game.[:o] Along with many of our bowhunting forefathers with traditional gear.
Less recoil? Oh my yes! Why I remember the old days when my compounds would jump out of my hands and leave my arms vibrating for weeks.
Fibre optic sights? Give me the old paint dipped pins and I wont miss a beat!
Limbsavers? Dont need them in my opinion. Although I've seen them on recurves too.[:o]

As for your other opinions? Number 2 doesn't surprise me , it shows your character!:eek: Someone worked hard for that ATV , I hope you get caught some day!

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

BOWFANATIC -

Wanna make a bet ? I can prove my point with this bet.

I can take anybodys crossbow and be good with it in very short order at , say, 30 yards. Good being keeping the arrows in the lungs of a McKenzie.

I can take anybodys compound and do the same.

Fact is you can do either of those too. So can my co-worker who's never shot a bow. So can my brother, who's never shot a bow, so can Byron Ferguson, who likely hasn't shot a compound in years.

Now ........ can you take my recurve and keep all the arrows in that mcKenzie ? If you can ..... well, you're lying if you say you can. I can't even keep them all in and its my bow and I practice a bit and am a fair shot. I've shot enough to know, read enough to know - that the following is 1005 true in todays world


Crossbows = easy. Compounds = easy recurve/longbows = hard


As for Fred Bear ........ he took poor shots and made some of them and missed even more I imagine. I've watched quite a bit of his videos ......... the man was an amazing shot no doubt. He won archery tourneys before he ever got well known. The man was a natural. Still took poor shots IMO but they were his to make.

If Fred has used a compound he'd have killed more animals than Chuck ever will. Compounds are the steroids of the archery world.

They make average shooters amazing shooters and really good shooters out of this world shooters.