RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Not through your eyes you meant to say!;)

Your rationale for your entire arguement is compounds are just as easy as crossbows.[&:] What else did you say? Compounds are actually more advantagous than crossbows?
Many folks have pointed out the HUGE differences between compounds and crossbows , you just refuse to listen.

I would love to have a huge outdoor shoot with everyone here. We'll bring a top of the line crossbow along with alot of our top of the line compounds. I guarantee that everyone could and would be doing things with that crossbow they only wished they could do with a compound.:eek: And consistantly too!

Ohhh I know what your gonna have for your rebuttle on that one. People can do things with their compounds that they dream about doing with a recurve.[:o] Here's a shocker for ya! Your gonna love this one. Some folks can shoot great with their trad gear and cant shoot worth a crap with compounds!
Yea , I happen to know a couple. Sounds absurd to you doesn't it? Thats because you think/expect everyone else to have your exact capabilities. :eek:

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Just a suggestion. Be sure and let them shoot from a rest or the prone position if they want to. As I understand things, the places that currently allow crossbows to shoot 3D with everyone else have a rule that they must be shot offhand. Which is why crossbow scores are so often lower than compound scores.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

data, I was about to post then I saw the donuts in your sig.

You got a lotta nerve, pal.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

I guess you could look at the fact if you are healthy and want to hunt during archery season in 47 of the 50 states you can't use crossbows.

So that will become 1 more negative to crossbows ... in almost every state in our country you can't hunt during Archery Season .... which happens to be my favorite season, so that is a HUGE negative.

Datamax .. do you not agree? Would you give up "Archery Season" if you live and hunt in any of those 47 states that don't allow them? Are you so convinced they belong you'd give up your ability to hunt archery season to make your point?

If guys like you need to win over guys like me to get crossbows into archery season across the country, I'd say based on the feedback here ... it's going to take a LONG time.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

First off I can't believe this is still going.....

Second, folks keep comparing crossbow to a rifle, not a gun, they are different, the range of a shotgun with buckshot, or a unrifled shot gun with a slug, or a muzzleloader (except the modern inlines) is roughly equal to a crossbow and compound.

Now back to the regularly scheduled, close minded debate.:eek:

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Ok Data and for ever whom else can't see the light that this is just how we feel on the subject.


let's say a deer is within range 20 yards. The diferance is when a crossbow is used to harvest a animal you lift the weapon like a gun, look through a scope, and pull the trigger, 90% of the shots can be done sitting down, what is the differance than a gun? If a gun was used it would be the same way. With a bow you 90% of the time you have to stand because we can't shoot across our bodies we have to get into position. Draw the bow back while keeping it on the rest, maintain back tension at full draw while aiming. keep a consistant grip, and ancor point through out the entire shot process. Hope there is enough light to see through the rear sight ( if you have one ) be able to release the arrow smooth enough that it does not interfear with shot placement. Then you have to follow through long enough for the 30 inch arrow to clear the bow. Through out the shot process who knows what the animal is doing, so you just sit there holding the bow, and hope nothing interfears with the longer action of the bow rather than the cross bow.


Data there is some differances with a compound compared to a longbow. But they require the same amount of movements to use it! Unlike the crossbow. Thats why we don't accept them in the same class as a BOW.

When you started this Thread you asked " Tell me one thing bad about cross bows" so you are asking for opinions. I give you mine, which is what you asked for, so why do you compare me to my States DNR Office opinions. It's like you are asking for a opinion and don't want to hear what we say!

You refered to me as a sheep for following rules or laws. I would hope you play by the rules as well.

Your replys to everyone, seems like you have never shot a bow, or atleast compared it to a Bow. Because if you had you would see the light.

Man I am done, you are not worth my time serving my country. I'll define that for you too. I have better things to do while currently Deployed fighting for you, rather than just sit here and listen to you be mad at yourself or people for answering a question you asked. You need a mirror to argue with Sir. I wish you the best in years to come.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Hey Bob My friends hunt with percution cap Muzzelloaders, and un-rifeled slugs that I have recorded killing deer, and hogs at 125 yards so get real man. Its not the range of the weapon it is how easy it is to use when hunting compared to a bow.:(

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

Would you give up archery season if compounds were thrown out of general archery season ? I'd hazard a guess that 50% or more of compounders WOULD stop archery hunting if their only choice were to shoot recurves/longbows.

Like I said, perspective on the comparisons between crossbows/compounds/recurve and longbows when its all said and done show recurve/longbows on a whole 'nother level.

flat feet - I ALWAYS shot my compounds sitting down. I shoot my recurve/longbow sitting down as well. Too much movement to do otherwise

On the contrary its very likely i've shot more bows, and more different types of bows, than most guys on this thread. How ?

In 1990 I quit college and started contracting Telephony work. I traveled - literally - to the majority of the states in this country. I've never been a party, bar hoping person so what did I do with my free time ? I went to archery shops and shot. A lot. A whole lot. I started with a PSE Precision Edge. I remember shooting a Martin Onza, several High Country's, I bought/sold/traded a couple more PSE's, Golden Eagle (hated those bows), reflex and the last ones I had were Mathews. The High Country Excalibur was the one I killed most of my bowhunting animals with. Anyway, in 2000, I becamse very, very bored with compounds. Technology had come far enough i didn't have to practice. I could buy a new bow, from scratch set it up and have it shooting bullet hole paper and 3" groups in 20 minutes.

My buddy has a Black widow and I shot it and wow. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn ! I had found a challenge that compounds no longer gave me. So I order an Adcock longbow and was hooked. The past 4/5 years have been tough on my hunting. I went the past 5-7 years of compound hunting never missing. Anything within 30 yards was dead if I wanted to kill it. This trad hunting though .......... just an absolute whole 'nother ballgame entirely.

So you see, I DO have quite abit of bowhunting and shooting experience to draw my conclusions from. As I have said before, I can shoot your compound very well ..... can you shoot my recurve ? Likely no, you cannot, which further shows how easy compounds are to shoot.

Crossbows are easy too, no doubt. Easier than compounds ? Yes, I think they are. Better weapons ? Absolutley not. Does either effect my bowhunting ? Definitive NO.

I've never understood how someone can get their feeling hurt, or get mad, of feel like they know someone through interenet discussions.

I'll agree with that 100% and the bold truth is ......... crossbows are easy, compounds are easy ......... recurves/longbows are hard, self bows are the hardest. Just like inlines are easy, caplocks are harder, flintlocks are the hardest.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

And I can show you folks who have killed with bows at very long ranges, ballistics of slugs has them falling off and keyholing way before that on average. We are talking about average hunter here, "effective" range of a "non modern" muzzleloader or a slug out of a smooth barrel is not 125 yards in the hands of an average shooter any more than the range of a compound is 125 yards in the hands of an average archer.

RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
 

The answer to your question is ABSOLUTELY NOT. If tomorrow compounds were outlawed, I'd grab my recurve (which I do anyway) and never miss a beat. I'd practice a bit more to stretch my effective range past 20 yards, perhaps out to 25 or so.. but I wouldn't for a second give up archery season.

I think you are way off on the 50% of us archers stopping hunting with bows if compounds were illegal like crossbows. In fact, I would think that figure may be closer to 10% to 15%. Time afield is the draw .. not the compound itself. I would bet that 10 to 15% would be back as well .. as soon as they could afford to buy new gear. Since you think 50% or more of archers only hunt during archey season because they can use compounds shows how out of touch you are with the archery community. The bow is the weapon ... it's the hunt that drives almost all of us to the woods.