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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
hillbillyhunter1 - its a rare talent :D
Seriously though, the argument against crossbows is highly flawed. I'm simply point it out and everyone is scrambling trying to find a chink in it. Theres not. however there are more significant differences between crossbows and any archery equipment and everybody knows it. But you shoot a compound, right ? So you'll reject that idea .............. why ? Because your choice of a compound is vastly easier than if you chose a recurve, and you want to preseerve that choice. However, at the same time you don't want anyone else to have a choice at a crossbow ............ uh, because its easy ? Yeah, that makes a LOT of sense, doesn't it ? I think that most true advocates of hunting and the outdoors would never ever want to deal a blow to the hunting community by making them take a step backwards. That is what you would do, if you would attempt to ban compounds which are now widely accepted and used throughout the country, for being too easy ( not that I think they are too easy---just making a point) But it is true the selection that you have on weapons and the improvements is growing toward the ridiculous, so that is why I advocate the point of maintaining the current restrictions, along with allowing crossbows to continue where they are currently already accepted. likewise compounds should stay restricted in areas reserved for primitive weapons. See, its a good talk - reigning in technology ...... but thats all it. And I gaurantee you, fall 2005 the next little gadget that comes out that increases your chances of tagging a deer, you'll buy it for $49.99 and put in on your compound setup. Thats the way human natures is and it most certainly is what bowhunters by and large want - easier and better without the practice. Its your cake and eating it to, isn't it ? And hey, I don't care - eat away - it won't effect my season one bit. And neither will all the crossbows that share Arkansas' season too. And isn't that funny ? 30 years .......... they've been legal and we haven't seen any negative effects at all. ARGUY - I believe some states do have spears as legal hog weapons ....... dunno about for deer though. An atlatl has been talked about in the past. But yeah, those primitive weapons, if proven to be somewhat accurate in the way they're used ............ sure, I don't have a problem with them really. It won't effect my archery season one bit. but it surely doesn't mean a cocked and loaded shoulder fired weapon that allows for the use of magnified rifle type scopes. I suspect crossbows have different rules and regs because they are differnt. Some states have some funky rules for sure - length of broadhead, types of arrow, wieght, draw poundage etc etc. They also seperate the kill stats to identify if crossbows are having a negative impact. They havent BTW I'll say this - crossbows are as vastly different from compounds as compounds are vastly differnt than recurve/longbow. They way they all work, the mechanics, the way they're shot, the accuracy, ease of use ......... all 3 are vastly different from the others. As different as crossbows are, so are compounds. Its a fact and I can prove it. How ? If compound were not that much easier, ya'll would be using them instead of compounds. Crossbows ARE easier to some degree - and people in AR and OH use them. But in those SAME states, compounders still have large numbers. Trad hunters in those same states are still very much a minority. Why ? Its harder - much harder - to use a recurve vs a compound/crossbow. Thats why |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
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If the rules or laws change then I will as well, no problems its easy to. I don't remember anyone saying they should not be used for hunting. Most people with any issue, is toward the fact that they are more like a gun than any bow A compound is more like a bow, rather than any gun, so that is why it is in a archery season. Most here see the crossbow as more simular to a gun, you shoulder it like a gun, it stays cocked like a gun, all the ones I seen in the woods here in GA all have scopes on them. There fore as a general opinion we believe they should be in a season with a weapon that is atleast used in a simular fation. I agree that weather you are using a crossbow or any other kind of bow you have the same effective range. If you get down to the issue at hand the different opinions we are running into are actually useing the weapon to harvest an animal. Useing the crossbow to harvest that animal is more simular to a any gun, rather than any bow. Do you agree? That is why we think it should not be in archery season, thats all no, more no less. I don't care who is in the woods while I hunt. Sir I hunt all Public land, I share with everyone. The crossbow is just to simular to a gun IMO to be put in a season with a bow. The line should be drawn some were, and the biggest differance is in the use of the crossbow during archery season. Not the use of a compound vs a recurve or long bow. they all are used in a simular manor (Mechincal) to each other minus the crossbow. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
ORIGINAL: datamax hillbillyhunter1 - its a rare talent :D Seriously though, the argument against crossbows is highly flawed. I'm simply point it out and everyone is scrambling trying to find a chink in it. Theres not. however there are more significant differences between crossbows and any archery equipment and everybody knows it. But you shoot a compound, right ? So you'll reject that idea .............. why ? Because your choice of a compound is vastly easier than if you chose a recurve, and you want to preseerve that choice. However, at the same time you don't want anyone else to have a choice at a crossbow ............ uh, because its easy ? Yeah, that makes a LOT of sense, doesn't it ? I think that most true advocates of hunting and the outdoors would never ever want to deal a blow to the hunting community by making them take a step backwards. That is what you would do, if you would attempt to ban compounds which are now widely accepted and used throughout the country, for being too easy ( not that I think they are too easy---just making a point) But it is true the selection that you have on weapons and the improvements is growing toward the ridiculous, so that is why I advocate the point of maintaining the current restrictions, along with allowing crossbows to continue where they are currently already accepted. likewise compounds should stay restricted in areas reserved for primitive weapons. See, its a good talk - reigning in technology ...... but thats all it. And I gaurantee you, fall 2005 the next little gadget that comes out that increases your chances of tagging a deer, you'll buy it for $49.99 and put in on your compound setup. Thats the way human natures is and it most certainly is what bowhunters by and large want - easier and better without the practice. Its your cake and eating it to, isn't it ? I think it is your argument that is flawed (ex. as stated above, both compounds and crossbows have high letoffs--FALSE--crossbows have complete letoff at least as far as your own muscles are concerned..which is where letoff is beneficial) but like in so many other posts, you use your skills (very effectively as shown by this 30 pages of excruciating blather) of purposeful misinterpretation or ignorance of other legitimate and disagreeable points, inflammatory rhetoric (good-hearted, I'm sure), and repetitive proliferation of your own innacurate beliefs (although I'm not even sure you believe them--you just like to argue for its own sake, which is fine) However, in the end, it doesn't really create much thought provocation. It just grows tiresome trying to argue with someone who uses adolph hitler tactics of continual reiteration of fraudulent points until they are believed or the masses succomb I still like you but refuse to debate this load of BS any further |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
If the rules or laws change then I will as well, no problems its easy to. Are you a Democrat ? Most people with any issue, is toward the fact that they are more like a gun than any bow A compound is more like a bow, rather than any gun, so that is why it is in a archery season. Useing the crossbow to harvest that animal is more simular to a any gun, rather than any bow. Do you agree? So no, its not anywhere close to being like shooting a high powered rifle 350 yards at a deer. The only thing that does make it gunlike is the trigger and stock - that is, the way the bow is held and the way the arrow is released. Is that what this boils down to ? How the bow is held and how its released ? Because if that is your arugment, then compounds once again are vastly different in the way they're held, the way they're shot and triggered and I'm with ya, lets start a movement to get those rifle like things out of archery season like that once were ! :D The crossbow is just to simular to a gun IMO to be put in a season with a bow. hillbillyhunter1 - do you know what the first signs of someone losing a debate is ? Not being able to disprove what the other is saying and just giving up and going on believing what they always have. Crossbows are no more accurate nor as good a weapon in the woods as a compound. Compounds have many advantages over the crossbows. Crossbows have NEVER proven to be a negative when allowed to be used in archery season. Compound have advanced so far they don't even look like bows anymore. All that is fact - and G&F depts across the country are realizing it. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Both (compounds and crossbos) have triggers, both use sights, both have high letoffs, both are vastly easier to use than recurves/compounds, both have vastly different mecahnisms of launching the arrow than a recurve/longbow (1) A compound does not have a trigger........a handheld release does. In other words, the pressure of drawing at the moment of the shot or just seconds before the shot is still the human element. (2) Some compound users do not use sights, I've shot with some of them at 3D shoots and even what was once called the U.S. Nationals. I've even seen recurve shooters use sights. (3) A crossbow has 100% letoff technically. (4) An arrows sits on a rug or similiar on traditional equipment. An arrow sits on an arm of some sort on a compound, an arrow sits on a track of a crossbow. Big difference between a channeled track and any arrow rest, whether it be traditional or compound. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Most people with any issue, is toward the fact that they are more like a gun than any bow A compound is more like a bow, rather than any gun, so that is why it is in a archery season. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
(1) A compound does not have a trigger........a handheld release does. In other words, the pressure of drawing at the moment of the shot or just seconds before the shot is still the human element. (2) Some compound users do not use sights, I've shot with some of them at 3D shoots and even what was once called the U.S. Nationals. I've even seen recurve shooters use sights. (3) A crossbow has 100% letoff technically. (4) An arrows sits on a rug or similiar on traditional equipment. An arrow sits on an arm of some sort on a compound, an arrow sits on a track of a crossbow. Big difference between a channeled track and any arrow rest, whether it be traditional or compound. A very few people shoot compounds traditional style. A crossbow has 100% letoff ........ But I believe I grouped them together as "high" letoff and 100% is pretty high, isn't it ? OFf the shelf, using a Muzzy Zero Effect rest or shooting off a track .......... its all just a rest of some kind, no "big" difference at all. In fact, they need to design crossbows like compounds where the contact of the rest/arrow is minimal. Compounders figured out years ago the less contact (especially at higher speeds) the better the arrow flight. Compounds once again showing how they're a BETTER hunting weapon huh Cougar ? |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
why do we bother ? to me it's obvious that this guy came in looking for a debate and 31 pages later proves he found one he won't listen to any views but his own so let's drop it
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
johnl - tsk tsk
I asked a simple question and the best answer so far ? (drum roll please) Cougar's saying the arrow traveling on a rail is a "big" difference ............ LOL............ I'm still smiling to myself on that one. But back 31 pages to the orig question ........... can YOU tell me one negative to crossbows being allowed in archery system ? More hunter ? Nope, not a negative Less season ? Well, yeah, thats a negative, but its never happened before Less bag limt ? see above answer Slob hunters ? We got them already - weapon does not indicate slob hunters They're far superior weapons ? well, they're not Too high tech maybe ? less so than compounds Its all about the draw ? and compounds are easy because of the draw factor too So you see............ 31 pages and still no negatives that have any merit at all |
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