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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
A. An increase in man days during bow season will 1) increase the harvest and 2) put more pressure on the herd. That will in turn piss off the gun hunters(THE MAJORITY OF HUNTERS) and they will lobby to shorten or do away with bow season. Many gun hunters would like to see that happen right now. I've heard those sentiments on several different boards, especially in my state. While many gunners may elect to hunt with a xbow, it will never replace their love and choice of the gun, thereby, IMO, cancelling out any support gained for archery. The bottom line is this, if it hurts the gun season, it will not be supported by the main stream. B. Opens the door to other weapons and a future of multi weapon seasons across the board |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
And "for the life of us we cant believe you dont see" the BASIC similarities that puts them both in the same category. It's not!!!! We dont allow crossbows during archery season. They are more than welcome to learn with a bow and join and enjoy the season , we have a 35lb minimum requirement. First , it may not "hurt me" in particular. I'm concerned for the sport of bowhunting and bowhunters in general , NOT JUST ME!!! Second , dont even try and tell me or ANYONE here that a crossbow is no more effective than a compound bow!! I've put in my research and I know damn well what their capable of. Big MISTAKE to try and "guess what I'm saying" pal! Here in Wi kids must be 12 years of age to legally hunt AFTER taking hunters ed. Most 12 year old kids I know can handle 35lbs of draw weight and if they cant I'd still take them along as my father did with me. Is that what bowhunting is all about to you? Just plop any weapon in your kids hands as long as they get their KILL? What's truly sad is that in this day and age yall are too dang lazy to get off your arse and teach these kids how to shoot a bow. Just plop a xbow in their hands as long they get that first blood. It's truly sad that everything that I learned (and many others here) about HUNTING in general (not the kill) will be totally lost in 20 years! YES! Archery gear offers a humane way of taking game! So your saying because of the slobs who dont bother becoming proficient with their recurve/longbow/compound we should make it as easy as we can for them to appease the antis? How about GETTING ON THEM? Educating them? Also curious where Buckmaster9 and BigJ12 come from? It seems so far the biggest supporters of crossbows are those from states who already allow them. Just curious what datamax has to say about that concept?? |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
BigJ I do agree, that is where the simularties end. Everyone that has entered anything bad about crossbows on this thred is saying. It is not that they are so different to any bow. It is when you use one to hunt, the crossbow is more simular to a gun when harvesting that game than a bow. So some people think that crossbows should be used in a season that uses like weapons, being ones in the same manor. Refering to gun/crossbow shouldering sighting, staying loaded. Verses common bows one of my compounds, longbows, or recurve that I have. Just trying to clarify some thinking on a level headed conversation when people get hot headed it is hard to see to other side. BigJ thanks for the good conversation. Russ I agree with you and like I said in my last post I think I am looking at it in the overall classification of the weapon vs how it is used in the hunt. While it is used like a rifle and not like a bow it is still a bow and to me should be classified as a bow and put into the bow season if allowed. Afterall the compound bow while held and used like a regular bow is no way near to being the same as a long or recurve bow, but all are still bows right? Again to all, sorry if I come across close minded, I do understand what you are saying and will be open to additional opinions as well. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
While I can agree with you and Datamax on many points, this is why I fight xbows in archery:
A. An increase in man days during bow season will 1) increase the harvest and 2) put more pressure on the herd. That will in turn piss off the gun hunters(THE MAJORITY OF HUNTERS) and they will lobby to shorten or do away with bow season. While many gunners may elect to hunt with a xbow, it will never replace their love and choice of the gun, thereby, IMO, cancelling out any support gained for archery. The bottom line is this, if it hurts the gun season, it will not be supported by the main stream. B. Opens the door to other weapons and a future of multi weapon seasons across the board. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
MA Jay ... but allowing the same youngster to shoot a compound (way easier to use, trigger release, high letoff, vastly different device from a real bow) is okay ? Why ? Because he has decided for everyone else that that's OK. I am sure he will say "becasue 47 states say that it's OK" but we both know that's a BS answer. Let's have a pro's and cons segment. List the pro or con about the effect that crossbow hunting will have on archery hunting. I'll start Pro's Could bring more people into the sport. Could allow those with physical limitations to hunt during the bow season. If they aren't hunting in the rgular bow season then they aren't going to be considered archers and they aren't going to be on your side when laws are being passed. Could bring additional revenue both in the way of license purchase, WMA permit purchases that will both benefit wildlife as well as increased revenue for Outdoor related retailers who typically help promote the sport as well as put money back into the sport. Quicker learning/ramp up time for novices to become profeccient with it as a hunting weapon Something "new" in a sport that doesn't change frequently Quieter in suburban hunting areas, more public friendly Lends itself to "ground hunting" better than a bow. Not requiring treestands to be as effective to cover excess movement. Guys, I'm trying. I have added to your list of Pro's. They have merits for sure. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
List the pro or con about the effect that crossbow hunting will have on archery hunting.
Cons- They do allow the taking of game after legal shooting hours to easily without being detected (not the crossbows fault, the hunters of course) The further lowering of the standards of practice and training necessary to become proficient as an archer Safety – being a loaded and cocked weapon makes them inherently more dangerous than a bow. Especially considering the treestand use of archery season Dividing the sport of archery and hunters in general. This thread clearly shows the passion and division the crossbow has upon archers who shoot bows and those hunters who shoot crossbows. The effect this will have on archery seasons in SOME states. In GA, AR and Ohio the sheer numbers and opportunities on deer allow for the additional weapons and hunters on the population. Here in NH we take about 10,000 deer a year, less than 2,000 during an archery season that runs 3 months. Our herds couldn’t take greater kills, so added pressure would require shortening of seasons. Today crossbow usage is limited to firearms season, if they were allowed to hunt the 3 month archery season the greater participation based on ease of use would require shortening the season. So adding crossbows would reduce archery season. Allowing for even more advanced technology into the sport of archery hunting than exists today These are the Cons “I” see after thinking for about 3 minutes on what adding crossbows to archery hunting in my state. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Gee, and the compound never opened those, did they ? I realize that OH and AR have had xbow seasons fro 30 years now. BUT, back then I would imagine xbows were hard to come by, not very common in stores, etc, remember no internet back then;) Culture and economics dictated that traditional or compounds be used. That culture has not changed, atleast for AR. OH, IMO has some alarming stats that do scare me. Alabama just passed xbows in archery season last year, I would be interested to see the effects it will on their herd, which resembles ours very closely, even down to the seasons and liberal bag limits. If I see no ill effects over the next few years, then I may give a little. I would suspect my state will be legalizing xbows within the next 5 years.. It's a constant subject and almost got passed this year. |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
They do allow the taking of game after legal shooting hours to easily without being detected (not the crossbows fault, the hunters of course) The further lowering of the standards of practice and training necessary to become proficient as an archer Safety – being a loaded and cocked weapon makes them inherently more dangerous than a bow. Especially considering the treestand use of archery season Dividing the sport of archery and hunters in general. This thread clearly shows the passion and division the crossbow has upon archers who shoot bows and those hunters who shoot crossbows. The effect this will have on archery seasons in SOME states. Allowing for even more advanced technology into the sport of archery hunting than exists today Cons are things that are TRUE - not fears that are unfounded and based on nothing. I spanked you - why do you come back for more ?? :D :D :D |
RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Hey Ethel, shut the light off... it's time to put it to bed.
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
When they pass a conceal carry bill for crossbows in New York, this is the piece that I will be packing
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