<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>BTW, I addressed all the variables in my broadhead thread........unlike you I want facts, experiences and truth. Not just opinions and comments.
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That in itself tells me you know jack #@#% about archery. So why would I listen to someone that I have forgotten more about the sport than he obviously knows. I persoanlly don't need someone else to tell me what to shoot in order be able to kill deer with it. I have killed deer with Muzzy's, Thunderheads, Spitfires, Rocket Sidewinders, and Rocket Steel Forces and never had a problem with any one of them. No one could have told me what I SAW WITH MY OWN TWO EYES AND IT SANK IN ANY BETTER THAN DOING IT MYSELF. Be a man go out and practice for a few more years and then when you get enough confidence under your belt you can reevaluate the situation. Right now you sound to frightened and timid(and obviously unqualified) to make up your own mind. My guess is unless you have a good pro shop close buy, you won't be shooting anything very well.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Besides, I prefer to hunt with the deadliest weapon I can so that is why I am researching broadheads so close BEFORE I choose........maybe you would be happier if I just didn't care and put any old piece of crap on the end of my arrows and learned what was good and what was bad by sticking them in a few deer and see what happens.........Sorry but I don't do things that way. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Yea well unlike you some of us actually had to go out and do the research ourselves. We didn't have the luxury of sitting back on our @$$ asking others to do it for us. Most any broadhead you set out to shoot is just exactly as deadly as the man shooting it is. I kill deer consistently with all of them I have ever shot. But I only take high percentage shots and I put them in the boiler room. Thats essentially what it all boils down to. A point which you seem to be oblivious to. When you compare Muzzy to Thunderheads or Spitfires to Steelheads you are splitting hairs, there just isn't that much difference in there performance. If you are so concerned about shooting mechanicals then I suggest that you don't shoot them. If you question there validity, refuse to do your own testing(I assume you condone it as long as someone else does it) and refuse to believe what others tell then you have no business shooting them(buy the way you are asking advice of people that you are striving not to be like)(I mean the nerve of these people to actually go out and field test). something).

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>and learned what was good and what was bad by sticking them in a few deer and see what happens.........Sorry but I don't do things that way.
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So it's ok for others to do it and come back and tell you about it?<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
How the hell else do you think someone find outs how effective a broadhead is? They hunt with them. Deer aren't made of plywood or steel.

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>BTW, I addressed all the variables in my broadhead thread........unlike you I want facts, experiences and truth. Not just opinions and comments.
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That in itself tells me you know jack #@#% about archery.

Me asking others about real experiences they have had with mechanical heads means I know nothing about archery??? I guess you used the same logic that tells you killing a deer with a 30 '06 is the same as killing a turkey with a bow and no blind<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>



Right now you sound to frightened and timid(and obviously unqualified) to make up your own mind. My guess is unless you have a good pro shop close buy, you won't be shooting anything very well.


You are really a valuable member of the hunting community man. You make it sound like anyone who uses their head and does research on the proper way to hunt is silly, scared, and stupid. You would rather see someone just grab a bow and some arrows with whatever heads on them and start flinging arrows at game.........Hey the only way your ever gonna learn is by falling out of your stand a couple times, shooting a couple deer in the a$$, maybe even make a couple good shots if you get lucky because you haven't practiced at all because that would mean your scared right?? Then when you do actually hit a deer it will never be found because asking about and even going with a fellow hunter to track his deer would make you scared and unqualified so you didn't and now at least the bugs can eat well thanks to you. The ANTI's must love to read the garbage that flows from guys like you.



<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Besides, I prefer to hunt with the deadliest weapon I can so that is why I am researching broadheads so close BEFORE I choose........maybe you would be happier if I just didn't care and put any old piece of crap on the end of my arrows and learned what was good and what was bad by sticking them in a few deer and see what happens.........Sorry but I don't do things that way. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Yea well unlike you some of us actually had to go out and do the research ourselves. We didn't have the luxury of sitting back on our @$$ asking others to do it for us.

Why did you HAVE to?? You don't have a mouth to ask questions of others that hunted before you??? So the internet hasn't been around forever..............hunters have. There is no excuse for testing your equipment on game without at least SOME knowledge on it's ability to perform........If you go into the woods with something that you are not reasonably SURE will take the animal with a well placed shot......you are a SLOB and don't belong in the woods.


I only take high percentage shots and I put them in the boiler room. Thats essentially what it all boils down to. A point which you seem to be oblivious to.


Do you even read before you reply??? That is EXACTLY what I stated in my mechanicals thread. I asked whether some of the stories you hear are due more to bad shots then bad performance of the head. I wanted to hear from people who have nailed a deer in the vitals with a well tuned bow and had the head fail them. I didn't expect many first hand stories just like I don't expect you to understand what you are reading.


[quote]If you question there validity, refuse to do your own testing(I assume you condone it as long as someone else does it)/quote]


YES I DO..........I think 5 shot does an excellent job on his testing of broadheads of all kinds. I know it isn't perfect and deer are not made of steel drum, but it's better then nothing and I will take it any day over just grabbing some heads 2 weeks before the season and saying &quot;man, I HOPE these work&quot;



So it's ok for others to do it and come back and tell you about it?<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
How the hell else do you think someone find outs how effective a broadhead is? They hunt with them. Deer aren't made of plywood or steel.


Ultimately, the final evidence will be on the animal you hunt........However, it should not be a TEST. When you fire that head at your target you should be confident beyond a reasonable doubt that the head will so it's job. If you are not........stay home and stop wounding animals.



It is clear to me that you have little if any respect for any of the animals you hunt or the other hunters that you share the woods with. What you consider to be macho is in fact just plain stupid. You state you have forgotten more about archery then I know........you sure have a funny way of showing it because you come off as a hot headed little kid who gets mad when he doesn't get his way and quickly resorts to name calling and insults.

You skirted the real question like a politician. The bottom line is that someone has to shoot unproven broadheads at deer before they are proven. You said yourself you have several comrades that shoot them so what else do you need to hear.

As far as the hot headed little kid thing goes. If you will go back and re-read you guys are the ones that started name calling etc. I just figured &quot;why not give as good as I get&quot;. I don't want you think I always enguage in this type of interaction. I typically won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. I don't know what got in to me.

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

Silentassassin, at the risk of getting in the middle of this whole ordeal, which I have been watching with morbid amusement. You are the one who started the ugliness in this thread. Your statement that you were going to use a rock to hunt turkeys directly implies that those who haven't had your success hunting turkeys are somehow incompetent as hunters. Human nature being what it is will cause people to become defensive when confronted with such an implication, you should have expected such a response.
If you believe it is so much easier to kill a turkey than a deer, why even start the thread?
Personally I find them both worthy quarry.

What you don't know(apparently)q2shooter is that this subject wasn't even started in this thread but in another one. It merely wound up on this thread. If you will go back and re-read both threads you will not find that to be the case. To answer your question I asked the question because I wanted to see how others felt. Of course that was before my question was switched aroud to &quot;which is harder any deer or a boss gobbler&quot;?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Which is the most difficult animal to hunt, the whitetail or the turkey? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> As you can see, in this quote from my first post on this thread I didn't compare deer to boss toms, I compared turkeys(any turkey) to deer(any deer). I never compared hunting deer with a bow to turkeys with a bow, I just asked for opinions. That is when I revised the question so the responders would quit reading things into it.

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;

I was referring to your original question, &quot;Which is the most difficult animal to hunt, the whitetail or the turkey?&quot; I may have mis-used the word thread. But you did start by demeaning hunters who were unsuccessful at hunting turkeys.

Edited by - q2shooter on 08/06/2002 13:50:23

OK

Edited by - silentassassin on 08/06/2002 14:09:43

OK

Edited by - silentassassin on 08/06/2002 14:10:50

The complete edit was because after I made the post I realized that I had misread your response to my post and I was in fact an a$$ in my response.

Not a problem. A position that I have held many times.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Protect your hunting rights, &quot;Spay or neuter a liberal.&quot;