Oh, please Double Creek.......I'll tell you what, I shot one of only THREE perfect 3D rounds in our region over the past 20-ought years, and I can tell you that the WB rests are VERY accurate at 40 yds or even 60 yds after trying them myself... As I said, I couldn't believe it either, but they do work and work well. Tuning is tuning, and you are NOT going to stack 41 or 42 baby X's with anything less than a great rest and great tuning. I challenge anyone to step forward and try it. This proves the WB is more than capable and will not fail at an inopportune time. Seeing as most shoot only a few shots setting up and during hunting season, Jim's recent trials more than doubles what most guys will shoot in an entire season.

Believe what you will, but my customers are loving them, and I know they work. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Ok, Ok, I was stretching it a bit about shooting off the shelf Good luck to all with their WB's, I vow to no longer discredit the rest, but on the other hand I will not recommend it either. It goes against all other principles of arrow rest design, and as such, I won't use one whether it works or not. Yes, I am being closed minded, but that's how I feel.

Pinwheel, I don't doubt what you are saying, I've been around this board long enough to know that you damn well know what you are talking about. I still won't give it a try, I've never had a problem with arrows falling off the rest and I don't want to worry about my feathers getting damaged.

Do you realize how hypocritical your being ??? It is just as mis-leading to say it is easy to slap on a traditional prong style rest an go , also !!

Ok guys, lets just get it out in the open, why are WB's so popular among today's hunters?

We have established that it is accurate, fairly easy to tune, etc. But so are all other rests, so than can not be contributing factor to its popularity.

It keeps the arrow from falling off the rest? Who has this problem? Stalking, yes, but sitting in a freaking treestand? I can't believe that that is the primary reason for popularity. What in the hell are you guys doing up in the tree? Are you dancing? WHY DOES YOUR ARROW KEEP FALLING OFF?

The WB has been infamous for tearing up feathers and vanes. I can't speak for the new models, though it does sound like they have improved.

So what have we learned? NOTHING, could someone, either Pinwheel or Len, someone with pro shop experience tell me why they are so popular among hunters and WHY most dealers I know push them.

DB........

I'm not your pro.....

In your time shooting archery........you've never nocked an arrow off your rest ? You don't have any mole skin on your rest or sight window ? You know anyone who has tried to use carbons with helical and got fletching contact on a regular rest? Do you ever sit in a lock-on and lay you bow across your lap ? You've never had a crooked nock that caused your arrow to come off the rest practicing ? You've never hit the backwall too hard and bumped your arrow off the rest ?


Anyway, Maybe we should all be as lucky as you to never have a single issue such as that in the woods !!

How accurate do you need ? I was shooting 1" groups at 20 yesterday and 3" groups at 45 ......do I need to drive to MS and prove it or what ??

I can't believe you guys go to the lengths you do to try and disprove something you've never used !!!!

CBM,

I'm not disproving anymore man, I DO believe you guys are getting that kind of accuracy, and I am actually coming around to believe the WB to be a viable rest, but I still don't understand the intense popularity.

Yes, I have knocked arrows off before, but rarely, I hang my bow in the stand, not on lap. And yes I do use mole skin. BUT, I would rather use mole skin than give up shooting my beloved feathers.

I need some proof that after 100 shots, feathers are holding up just fine, then, I might actually try the thing.

I told you yesterday that I have shot tru-flights (at an off set) for a year and I can barely tell a difference between them and newly fletched arrows !!

I will admit that I bought some PSE arrows factory fletched .....it was a piss poor job and they were a full helical !! They look like a tattered mess after a month of shooting !!

Fletching my own though.....I have never had the biscuit tear any of my feathers or had one come off !!

I'm not kidding the things work !! I lauged my a$$ off the first time I saw one.......I swore to never use one !!! I bought my dad one after some clumsyness in the stand cost him some give me shots !! I ended up borrowing his bow (because the string got cut on mine in the case one time) .......took it hunting in a lock on with no hook available and killed a doe !! After that I decided to try one ......and so on and so on !!

You should try one.....if for no reason but to really prove us wrong !!

Ahhh....and with the new name comes a new bright oulook on life and new ideas

The transformation has begun and a small sliver of light now extends through the door jam and across the floor. It lay at your heels, walk towards it ,walk my son and it will lead you to serenity...........................

[8D][8D]

Forgive me Master Rack, I somehow slipped off the P&Y path, thank you for allowing me to see the light.

CBM, forget what I said, I will never try one

Those that say I do not like the "WB" have not been (thoroughly) reading and understanding what I have written. I have not specifically said I do not like the "WB" based on personal use.

What I have said or implied in many different ways, is that:

-I believe the design of the rest is counter to what is necessary for best arrow
performance.
-That the installation, adjustment, and tuning are (obviously) not as simple as some claim.
-I would not easily recommend the "WB" to be used by someone that does not have a
thorough grasp of tuning a bow, all accessories, form, and troubleshooting.
-I definitely would not (personally) use the rest.
-Regardless of all the pro arguments, in no way can the capability and performance of
the "WB" be considered to be on the same level as certain other hunting rests.

However, if a shooter know all sides of the story, can set the rest up and obtain reasonable accuracy under certain conditions, and is comfortable with a "middle of the road" piece of equipment, that is the person's personal choice.

Double Creek has presented some very good questions. Just what is the great advantage of the "WB" that makes jumping through all the tuning hoops and occasionally replacing fletch/vanes and bristles on the rest, worthwhile? To keep your arrow from falling off the rest? Her question about what are some shooters doing in their treestand (dancing) is absolutely hilarious.

Nevertheless, regardless of the humor involved the question is legitimate. What is going on that so many shooters seem to be having problems with arrows falling off their rests? Is it something in today's equipment designs, is it something that shooters are doing incorrectly, more than ever before?