When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
11-19-2003 | 07:36 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
Well if that' s what he said.... he' s dead on here in Maryland.[
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11-19-2003 | 09:20 PM
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RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
I will have to agree that it' s both screwed up by the weather and later than usual here in Maryland. The reason I went to the area that I hunted Monday was because I finally saw fresh rubs and scraps. I had seen hardly anything in this area up until Monday.
Hey Dave, do you want to go Friday AM???
Hey Dave, do you want to go Friday AM???
11-19-2003 | 09:57 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
Primary Seeking Phase
Nov 6th-Nov 11th
Primary Chasing Phase
Nov 12th- Nov 19th
Primary Breeding Phase
Nov 20th- Nov 26th
Nov 6th-Nov 11th
Primary Chasing Phase
Nov 12th- Nov 19th
Primary Breeding Phase
Nov 20th- Nov 26th
just ' cause you don' t see it - doesn' t mean it ain' t happening.
11-19-2003 | 10:51 PM
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From: Richwood Ohio USA
RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
The November full moon was the 10th. I have seen lots of seeking, chasing and even witnessed breeding for the 1st time ever. I have seen all of this between the 10th and now. It does seem to be more revved up in the afternoons? The bucks I have seen in the mornings have just been casually feeding. I think Altzheimer' s prediction was right on the money as it seems to have been for the past 4 years now.
TBO
TBO
11-20-2003 | 05:03 AM
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From: Southeast PA
RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
Rut? what rut? Saw very little in the way of rutting activity here is SE PA. The bucks didn' t even bother to make scrapes. In fact, the best rutting activity I saw was being done by button bucks! Seriously though, very subdued here. Perhaps the rut is just kicking in. If thats the case, rifle season will be a slaughter. If I remember Ashenhimer' s predictions for this year, he said it would be a strong rut. Therefore, I say his predictions were off base.
11-20-2003 | 05:09 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
My personal observations were similar to Olink' s in that the rut was not as predominant in my area this year as compared to previous years. I found a few scrapes but they seem to have been used only once or twice and then all activity ceased. I would tend to wonder if it is going on now according to Altzheimer....?
11-20-2003 | 06:48 AM
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RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
I have used Alschemier' s (sp) predictions in the past to take days off of work and hunt, and fell flat on my face and didn' t see squat....but like someone else said, just cause you don' t see it doesn' t mean it isn' t happening. If I don' t see bucks chasing when it should be going on, I figure I' m in the wrong location at the wrong time!
Anyway, here in Southern New England (Mass. to be exact) his predictions are pretty good this season, based on what I' ve seen and from all the other hunters I keep in contact with, we have seen the chasing much later this year than in years past. The first week of Nov. was a bust this year, I figured the heat wave had something to do with it, but it also could be coincidental with Charles A. predictions, guess I' ll pay closer attention to his next year, or I' ll just take my couple days off in and around the 15th, I think you can never go wrong around the 15th?
Anyway, here in Southern New England (Mass. to be exact) his predictions are pretty good this season, based on what I' ve seen and from all the other hunters I keep in contact with, we have seen the chasing much later this year than in years past. The first week of Nov. was a bust this year, I figured the heat wave had something to do with it, but it also could be coincidental with Charles A. predictions, guess I' ll pay closer attention to his next year, or I' ll just take my couple days off in and around the 15th, I think you can never go wrong around the 15th?
11-20-2003 | 07:43 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
The prediction seems to be on the early side. Then again, who knows for sure... It wouldn' t be hard to make annual predictions, then find someone whose observations match up with them and claim you' re right!
11-20-2003 | 09:01 AM
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RE: When did Altzheimer and Moon Phase people predict the rut this year?
I was aske to resspond to this.
If you want the truth about moon phases and peak breeding read the " Does the Moon Affrect Peak Breeding" thread on the " T.R.' s Tips" board. And then lookat the dates when deer biologists say peak breeding occurs in each state by looking at the Rut Dates Charts on either my site, Kiss Scents site or other sites on the net. You' ll also find deer breeding activity graphs on the net. I hae the conception dates of 1600 whitetail does from 1980-1987 that shows peak breeding ALWAYS occurred in MN during the second week of Nov.
A study by Dr. Karl Miller, of over 2500 does in 11 different states, concluded there is no corrleation between peak breeding of whitetails and ANY moon phase. Karl is good friends with Charlie Alscheimer, and he told me he told Charlie he was WRONG.
I received the following e-mail last month.
If I can be of any help, let me know. Hope to see you on my board.
Good hunting and God bless,
T.R.
If you want the truth about moon phases and peak breeding read the " Does the Moon Affrect Peak Breeding" thread on the " T.R.' s Tips" board. And then lookat the dates when deer biologists say peak breeding occurs in each state by looking at the Rut Dates Charts on either my site, Kiss Scents site or other sites on the net. You' ll also find deer breeding activity graphs on the net. I hae the conception dates of 1600 whitetail does from 1980-1987 that shows peak breeding ALWAYS occurred in MN during the second week of Nov.
A study by Dr. Karl Miller, of over 2500 does in 11 different states, concluded there is no corrleation between peak breeding of whitetails and ANY moon phase. Karl is good friends with Charlie Alscheimer, and he told me he told Charlie he was WRONG.
I received the following e-mail last month.
Dear T.R.;
I ran across an article of yours while trying to find some contact names for the Southeast deer study group. I began to read with apprehension, but was pleasantly surprised to see you had reached the same conclusions I have with respect to deer rutting behaviour and moon phases.
I recently purchased several books by the so called " Dr. Deer" (James Kroll). I read quite intently his writings about moon phases/positions and its influence (or not) on deer breeding activity. I was surprised that he does concur that the moon has an effect on rut timing, but was more surprised that the very data he uses to support this (both a chart of NA breeding dates, AND Pennsylvania breeding data) could very easily be used (to me) to disproved his theory. If deer are breeding at different times all over eastern NA, and we all experience the same hunters moon, he has just destroyed his own theory.
However, I also am a deer biologist and have access to good data for our area. Being an avid hunter as well, I have been looking at our breeding dates and timing here in New Brunswick since I began this job in 1997. Again, I found absolutely NO pattern here with our dates and the so called " hunter' s moon" - the theory he purports. In the fall of 2002, after 6 years with no correlation, the peak breeding here did line up with the moon, but then again, if our deer continually breed last 2 weeks of November, first week of December, sooner or later it will - by mere coincidence - wind up on the same time as a moon.
I have written for two reasons. First, I have data on date of death of female deer (Jan.-June) along with fetal ruler measurements by which I calculate conception dates for New Brunswick since 1997. I have compared daily numbers of breeding does with moon phases, and also with actual buck harvests. I have yet to statistically compare the second set of data, but looking preliminarily at the data, hunter effort has more to do with when bucks are shot than any moon phase, etc. I' d be more than happy to share additional data from the eastern end of the country with you to further substantiate your case.
Second, I wanted to encourage you to continue to tell it like it is. To that end, you can use my name when you mention our data here in NB and that I have found the same results. Day to day weather, as well as hunting pressure & hormones influence what a deer does much more than the moon. Look forward to getting to know you.
All the best in WTD management
Rod Cumberland, CWB
New Brunswick Deer Management Biologist
I ran across an article of yours while trying to find some contact names for the Southeast deer study group. I began to read with apprehension, but was pleasantly surprised to see you had reached the same conclusions I have with respect to deer rutting behaviour and moon phases.
I recently purchased several books by the so called " Dr. Deer" (James Kroll). I read quite intently his writings about moon phases/positions and its influence (or not) on deer breeding activity. I was surprised that he does concur that the moon has an effect on rut timing, but was more surprised that the very data he uses to support this (both a chart of NA breeding dates, AND Pennsylvania breeding data) could very easily be used (to me) to disproved his theory. If deer are breeding at different times all over eastern NA, and we all experience the same hunters moon, he has just destroyed his own theory.
However, I also am a deer biologist and have access to good data for our area. Being an avid hunter as well, I have been looking at our breeding dates and timing here in New Brunswick since I began this job in 1997. Again, I found absolutely NO pattern here with our dates and the so called " hunter' s moon" - the theory he purports. In the fall of 2002, after 6 years with no correlation, the peak breeding here did line up with the moon, but then again, if our deer continually breed last 2 weeks of November, first week of December, sooner or later it will - by mere coincidence - wind up on the same time as a moon.
I have written for two reasons. First, I have data on date of death of female deer (Jan.-June) along with fetal ruler measurements by which I calculate conception dates for New Brunswick since 1997. I have compared daily numbers of breeding does with moon phases, and also with actual buck harvests. I have yet to statistically compare the second set of data, but looking preliminarily at the data, hunter effort has more to do with when bucks are shot than any moon phase, etc. I' d be more than happy to share additional data from the eastern end of the country with you to further substantiate your case.
Second, I wanted to encourage you to continue to tell it like it is. To that end, you can use my name when you mention our data here in NB and that I have found the same results. Day to day weather, as well as hunting pressure & hormones influence what a deer does much more than the moon. Look forward to getting to know you.
All the best in WTD management
Rod Cumberland, CWB
New Brunswick Deer Management Biologist
If I can be of any help, let me know. Hope to see you on my board.
Good hunting and God bless,
T.R.
