Matt, for strictly " on the ground" like you have it set-up, I' d have to pick by far the Skyline Excell, it blends best!! That pattern does a much better job, more so than the ASAT pattern, at least to my eyes!! But, if hunting from a treestand with some kind of background for cover, the Mossy Oak Break-up does a very good job too!!

These stories are neat, but don' t mean much! I' ll give you a neat story... About 35 years ago, when nobody wore camo (at least I never saw any), I was squirrel hunting and had my springer spaniel with me. I broke up a flock of turkeys early into the hunt. My dog proceeded to chase them up the hill I was on and had them flying everywhere, landing in trees that were far apart. Since I always had my turkey call with me, I went to the top of the hill and started calling. I had turkeys all around me starting to come towards me. I still had my dog with me, so I crouched low to the ground and held my dog' s collar. It was the first of October and the leaves were just starting to turn. 95% were green. My dog was 45 lb and black and white. I was wearing a bright red hunting vest and a red cap. I had 12 turkeys that had just been scared by me and chased by my dog, walk within about 8 feet of us. My dog was panting from the running and the warm day and
there was no cover at all around me. My dog and I were in plain view. Not one of them ever saw myself or my dog. Now, I could tout the advantages of wearing bright red vests and cap, and encourage everyone to bring a dog with them if they want to get turkeys real close, but no one would believe me. The point is, turkeys are some of the dumbest animals that we hunt. They have great eyesight and can become unbelievably wary, but at times they are dumb as a doornob. Stuff happens no matter what you' re wearing.

Since then camo has become the rage and I' m wearing it too. However, there is no way that it has affected by hunting to any significant degree. I had deer within a couple feet of me 35 years ago, and I have them doing the same today. In my opinion, it has far more to do with my hunting tactics, then with the clothing I' m wearing.

Straightarrow


Thank you!!!

Nuff said!

Camo is not nearly as important as containing movement. Any of the camo listed will do the job, some maybe better than others according to the situation, background, time of day and weather conditions.

Just to throw some more fuel in the fire....

This past Friday I took my first doe of the year. Surprisingly, at least for me, I took her while sitting on the ground without the use of pop-up or naturally occuring blind. The story is short and simple. I set up in a fencerow with some waist high bushes throughout. After setting out my scent canisters I proceeded to head back to my stand spot in the fencerow. I undid my quiver and nocked an arrow. I then placed the bow on the ground and picked up my rangefinder to click off the yardages to each of my scent canisters. Upon settling on the first canister I was surprised to see a doe staring at me from 26 yards away through the viewfinder sight window.

I then proceeded to put the rangefinder down and picked up my bow....clicked the release on the loop and drew back right on the doe. She did not move an inch but continued to stare at this " green blob" in the treeline. I then released the arrow and watched the Steelehead 100 bury itself right behind her front shoulder. She bolted and I later found her about 70 yards from where she was shot.

The spot I was sitting in did not have enough cover to mask my movement as was evident by the fact that the doe saw me as soon as she walked out of the woods despite the fact that my only movement was lifting the rangefinder to my face. The spot I was sitting in did not have a large tree right behind me to break up my outline or anything else that would have been large enough to obtain the same effect. There were only low level bushes and shrubs.

Though I am sure this will aggravate some folks my outline was not broken up nor was there a lack of physical movement. I believe that I simply blended into the environment wearing a pattern that mimicked my immediate surroundings both in terms of color and pattern.

I guess what I am trying to say is that a variety of different " camo methods" can be proven to be effective (breaking up the outline, blending in, not moving, etc...). To assume that one works " better" than the other or that one will work in all situations seems rather short-sighted in my opinion. Wear what you think will work for where you are hunting and if it does not then try something else...

In case any of you missed it... I thought my experience with the ASAT the other day was eye opening. I posted it on another thread but some of you may have missed it. In this thread I stated I thought ASAT was out of it' s element on the ground but looked like it would be great in a tree. Rob told me I was wrong. Then I had the below experience Sat. Here' s a copy paste. REALLY impressive example of the camos ability to disappear.

" " We had a Hunter Safety Course yesterday. During the walk through we always have some guy in camo sitting in the background against a tree behind one of the animal 3D targets we have up for the " shoot---don' t shoot" hypotheticals. There were 32 people in the class. Yesterday we had the guy sitting 10 yards behind a wide open deer. He was leaning against a tree dressed in a leafy ASAT suit. We had one small leafy limb in front of him but he was not hidden behind anything. Out of 32 people in the class, NOT ONE... picked the guy up. He was no more than 25 yards from them. I was helping with the range but walked through with the last group. I knew which animal the guy was suppose to be on. I got there and didn' t see him. I thought he had prematurely gotten up and left the spot before the last group came through. I didn' t see him until he waved to everyone" " .

Ok David, I will bite. One of you guys let me know which ASAT outfit to buy and where to get it from and I will order it just for s....s and giggles.....

This one-

http://www.asatcamo.com/Vanish_Pro.htm

You will not be disappointed

How well do the ASAT suits fit ? I' m a big guy and I am usually on the bubble between XL and 2XL.

JeramyK

The vanish Pro 3d suit is made with a slightly larger fit than normal to allow for layering.
If you are between xl and 2xl then you should probably get the 2xl to allow a little more room.

Frank.

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