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Old 12-27-2009 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hunt4Life23
just because bigger bucks are shot each year in these areas where the deer densities are higher doesnt mean stress doesnt play any role on antler growth.
You're exactly right.
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Old 12-27-2009 | 02:49 PM
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Boy oh boy this is getting redundant. Yes, I believe high densities resulted in increased stress and smaller racks. This opinion is consistent with research done by several experts. Please scroll back in this post, you will find my opinion is supported by data collected by Snavely, Ozoga, and Alsheimer.
You can chose to believe whatever you want, but it appears that you aren't capable of supporting your beliefs with PGC data. If you can't show that your theories apply to what has happened in PA, your theories and opinions are irrelevant.

I can't make it any more cut and dry than that. You say produce the data, I say open your eyes and realize I've already put forth the findings of several studies; beyond that I don't know what I can do.
You have put forth findings of several studies , but you haven't been able to support those studies with what has happened in PA. But, I have refuted your studies and theories with the actual PGC data.
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Old 12-27-2009 | 03:11 PM
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Bluebird...every other post you make undermines the credibility of the pgc and claims they don't know what they're talking about. Yet now you base your entire claim off data that the pgc collected. It seems to me you pick and choose when to use the pgc's data. If it's in line with your opinions it cannot be questioned; and god forbid it disagree with you opinion, at that point their just a bunch of idiots with unreliable data.

Make up your mind bluebird, if the pgc dosen't know what they're talking about, then you should probably find another source of data to refute my claims.
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Old 12-27-2009 | 03:30 PM
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Yet now you base your entire claim off data that the pgc collected. It seems to me you pick and choose when to use the pgc's data.
Please feel free to provide any data you may have that refutes the PGC data. Furthermore, I don't pick and choose PGC data as you claim. I use all of the PGC data whether or not it supports my position. But, you don't even have a clue what the PGC data might be, yet you criticize me.
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Old 12-27-2009 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
Please feel free to provide any data you may have that refutes the PGC data. Furthermore, I don't pick and choose PGC data as you claim. I use all of the PGC data whether or not it supports my position. But, you don't even have a clue what the PGC data might be, yet you criticize me.
Why do I need to refute data that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? I don't care what the decade long trends in fawn recruitment are, they have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I made a claim, and provided data that supported my claim. You introduced unrelated data, while ignoring the evidence I provided; and now you want me to refute your data.
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Old 12-27-2009 | 03:51 PM
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And another thread becomes a Pa cryfest.
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Old 12-27-2009 | 03:55 PM
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What data did you provide? The answer is you provided zero data. What you provided was theories and opinions that were not supported by any data. It is easy to have nice theories and opinions that support what you want to believe, but unless you can provide the data that supports your position , you have no basis to refute the opinions of others who have the data to support their position.

I have the data and you don't have squat to support your opinions..
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Old 12-27-2009 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
What you provided was theories and opinions that were not supported by any data
No, in the case of Ozoga and Verme's reseach I provided the RESULTS OF THEIR EXPERIMENT, NOT THEORIES. But I guess their findings weren't supported by data that meets your mystical threshold for what's relevant and what's not (sarcasm).

At this point I'm going to ask you not to reply to this thread anymore, for the simple reason that I want it to remain on topic. Thank you, good day.
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Old 12-27-2009 | 04:24 PM
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Pike, did you get a chance to look over the Alsheimer article...i"m interested in hearing your response.
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[QUOTE]No, in the case of Ozoga and Verme's reseach I provided the RESULTS OF THEIR EXPERIMENT, NOT THEORIES. But I guess their findings weren't supported by data that meets your mystical threshold for what's relevant and what's not (sarcasm).
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but you can't apply the results of their research to the actual data that is provided by the pGC , which makes their theories and results irrelevant to what is happening in PA.

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