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You mean this one?

That' s ridiculous. Mathews must really be feeling the pressure from Hoyt, why else go to such measures to bash a rival. Sad, Sad.

I don' t see anything wrong with it, just sounds like Mathews standing up for their product, and contesting some of Hoyt' s claims, that they found to be untrue. No different from the Chevy is better than Ford is better than Dodge is better than Toyota commercials. Sounds like normal advertising to me.
Charlie

Wow, I can' t believe that. I am a mathews fan, but if they can' t find anything better to do than totally bash the competition, good for them[:-] No really, if they can' t run a two page add on their new bows and be able to sell, then they better come up with something new.

A 2 page ad bashing the competition seems a little grade schoolish to me. But what do I know? Don' t answer that Frank!!

I' m a Mathews Fan but I am also very logical. Advertising is advertising but if Hoyt' s claim is false as it appears to be then the adds substantiating that claim are fair and proper and responsible. If however in the bashing claim of Mathews is proven in error then Hoyt has the obligation and responsibility to refute that claim.

In the end I' ll still be a Mathews Fan . . . they work as great for me as the Hoyt' s do for their owners.

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Settle down gents.

The current pi$$ing match is just that. Let’s look at what’s occurred here.

If I might be so BOLD. As an admitted technical bow fanatic with ton of test equipment, (High Speed Video Cameras, Shooting Machines, Apple Tuning Machine, Lasers, etc.) I test bows constantly and can tell you one thing. ALL of THE MANUFACTURERS are FULL of some Bull$**T in their ads.

I have current Hoyt' s, Mathew' s, Bowtechs, Dartons, Martins, and many others.

What Mathew' s is saying IS true in my opinion. But so what! They all say their bows need no tuning and they are all full of it! Most say that their bows are faster than they really are. Pat notice that I said most.

A Mathew’s, like any other bow needs to first be bench setup with a Laser to insure that side to side as well as vertical nock travel is as square and plumb as it can be made to be. Guess what...so do all the others if you want them to perform at their best!

Hoyt had developed a terrific riser in the Tec series and also had great limbs, but had second-rate cam performance. The light went on and they borrowed Darton’s cam designs and now have a very nice combination of having a cam worthy of their riser and limbs. Now originally Hoyt denied borrowing Darton’s design but as you can now easily ascertain Hoyt is paying royalties to Darton. The fact that Hoyt’s cam designs had previously left something to be desired takes nothing from their fine riser and limb designs, but let’s face it, the cam +1/2 is basically Darton’s. This has proved to be a fine marriage of components. Is it perfect?…nah, but pretty darn good and like the best Mathew’s and Bowtechs, the bows will outshoot the shooters. On the other hand Mathew’s ads can be backed up empirically. But who cares as the bows can outshoot the shooter.

Mathew’s has had nothing revolutionary in the last couple of years from my point of view, but again; so what? They have a highly refined and excellent shooting design with the exception of their grips IOHO. Does this mean that their bows aren’t the equal of the Hoyts….Nah, but we all like something new don’t we. That is what drives sales in the archery industry. Many of the world’s great bow hunters wouldn’t trade their MQ1s or Havotecs for anything. But back to the ad; is the Mathew’s ad truthful….IOHO YUP.

Bowtech makes exquisite bows that are a little tough on the draw for the average Joe, but are as accurate as any bow that we have ever tested. They have refined their grip this year and are truly fine pieces of equipment. I assure you that Bowtech could teach Hoyt a thing or two about cam design, but again all cams are a series of compromises.

The guy looking for Darton’s or Hoyt’s ultra smooth draw may not care for the harsher draw of the Bowtech, but if you were in fine shape and shooting at mule deer at long ranges the Bowtechs are every bit as accurate and might have an edge on the Hoyts.

So what does it all boil down to? Well Hoyt’s real coup is in their grip and riser if you ask us. The cam +1/2 is fine, but not perfect. It is on the other hand superior to what Hoyt had been offering cam wise.

Darton makes a great cam, but their risers and limbs are not the equal of Hoyt in our opinion, they shoot very, very well, but are loud and a little ugly in my opinion.

Mathews makes a fine riser and a lovely shooting bow. Their SL cams are terrific. IOHO what Mathews need is to simply narrow their grips. The Q2XL is one heck of an accurate bow.

I guess that in parting I might point out that Tiger Woods manages to prevail fairly often-using golf clubs that are by all accounts honestly considered to be inferior to what the other pros are using. There is consensus on this, but by God he seems to pull the rabbit out of the hat doesn’t he.

Bottom Line…Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech are all much more capable that most of us are. A smooth draw cycle doesn’t insure accuracy any more than lack of hand shock does. Good consistent nock travel and a torque-free, grips do.
Most archers will gain far more from supertuning their bows than they will from making a new purchase, but then again selling you a new bow is what adverting is all about isn’t it? It is also a lot of fun for the purchaser. I say, have a few bows from each of these manufactures and then come back and tell me that you don’t love’em all, but for different reasons.

If I could only have three bows, I would have a Q2XL, an Ultratec, and a PRO 40. As you can tell, there is not a short bow in the bunch, but there are three real shooters! (my fourth would be a Darton Maverick Recurve..Loud and not too pretty, but what a shooter)

Forget the ads and shoot the bows, you will want one of each. Just be glad that there are these fine manufactures making these great products for us to all enjoy.

OK I’ll get off the stump.

Big post about it on Archery Talk.I was picking up my new Bowtech VFT EXTR. when I pointed it out to the guys.Very SAD and I can' t believe they would resort to this and hopefully Hoyt does not run an ad back at them.Hoyt is taking alot of sales away from Mathews. United together we are stronger against anti' s and we do not need this stuff.

Nubbb,

That post of yours looks familiar....especially that reference to Pat....

Seriously though, let me ask you this, if you have tested the new Mathews HD cam found on the LX then do your results coincide with what Mathews posted in their advertisment?