PABowhntr,

You are correct. This same discussion has been going on over at the Bowsite as well as at ArcheryTalk. I simply cut and pasted some of my remarks from my posts over there.

I have tested the cam +1/2 personally and love my Ultratec cam +1/2, but do agree with Mathews ad, I have watched the LX be tested and would concur as well based upon my observations. I however am not as much of a fan of the LX as I am the Q2XL.

You can tune and time the cam+1/2 for great performance, the notion that it doesn' t require this is absolute nonsense. Hoyt has built a terrific bow, but IMO has seriously misrepresented some issues for advertising purposes.

Nubb,

Thank you for the information.

Well Nubb, I' ve got to ask then. What have you done or seen done with the BowTech Duallys? Thinking about the Mathews add, I can only think that Mathews has dug a deeper hole for themselves in telling the world that the hybrid cam system is basically as dead as the dual cam bows. I' d also bet that you will never see a force draw mulitplier system on their bows either. I guess in all the world there dosen' t exist a compound bow that doesn' t need for the cam or cams to be set in a specific location for accuracy and performance. I guess I' ll stick with a dual cam and know that my time spent keeping my bow in tune will be equal to any other bow on the market. Then again maybe I' ll spend less time than most

Walks,

Who said the hybrid was dead? I have loved Darton' s CPS for a long time and think Hoyt has done a great job of quieting it down. As for dual cams, I currently have a whole stable of them (including Bowtechs and Martins). I shoot a BK2 all the time with great pleasure. I am not a Patriot Dually fan however. I also love the PRO40. I am also a fan of the Q2XL and even like my Onieda.

Let' s face it, when properly set up; all of these high quality bows are superb (including the Mathews). People have to take advertising for what it is, just like magazine evaluations of bows. There are more superb bows available than one would know what to do with; there is also a fair amount of junk.

So what’s the point? Remembering that most advertising is just PROPOGANDA!!!
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Kind of like when Mathews first came out with their solo cams?[] Remember those adds?

My feeling is Mathews chose not to expound on how great their bows are; they' ve chosen to bash Hoyt. I don' t pay much attention to advertising. But I do feel put off by negative ads. This type of nonsense isn' t going to make me run out & buy a Mathews. That' s for sure.

Let' s face it....Compound Bows are a very mature technology!!

All " improvements" are incremental and truly quite small. Archery manufacturers are in business to sell bows period. They are always looking for a hook to sell you their latest product whether you need it or not.

Are this years bow hugely more accurate than the 2001 models?

Have scores hit great new levels?

We buy new bows because we love the novelty of it. We test bows for the fun of it.
The tinkering in search of near perfection is fun.

But in truth, who really gives a rats a$$ what the ads say?

A properly tuned cheapy two wheeler will shoot beautifully in the hands of a skilled archer.

Have Fun and TUNE YOUR BOW TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL YOU CAN, that' s the magic bullet!

Nubbb:

You can' t say that! After all, we' ve GOT to sell those new models.

Honestly, we could probably make a decent living on bow repairs and tuning. But that wouldn' t curtail the biggest problems at hand - FIT, FORM, COMFORT and TUNE.

If the customer wants a new bow, we don' t emphasize any particular design. What we stress more than anything else is FIT, FORM, COMFORT and TUNE. Beyond that, you could shoot anything on the market successfully.

Len,

Right you are amigo! It is truly a shame that so few archers have the benefit of someone such as yourself to steward them towards proper fit and a proper start.

While the engineers are striving for perfection at the right price point, the advertising boys are thinking up what BS they can stick in their new ads.

But I for one, am always anxious to play with the latest serious attempts to improve this rather mature product. Each year there are so many weasels claiming so called advances that you have to laugh, but then again there are usually a few nice minor improvements or sincere attempts at improving the breed that keep us buying and trying the new bows that you have GOT to sell.

I admit it, I am as guilty as anybody of wanting to play with and test the new models. That is the fun of it.... On the other hand, a well fitted, balanced, and tuned setup is such a joy to shoot be it new or old.

Plain and simple, too few archers seem to get there. They keep trying to buy what they can already have with their current bow.

As you pointed out FIT, FORM, COMFORT and TUNE are the keys to the Castle.

Cheers! Nubbb

you might be right about the limbs, although, I' ve had my darton for 4 years, and never had a limb problem . but - you want UGLY, just take a look at that dang riser hoyt makes!!!

and as far as being loud, my maverick is FAR from bein loud!

matthews is mad because hoyt made a better product? what a bunch of whiners!
but then hoyt wants to take all the credit for the cam 1/2, when they got the idea from darton? then their no better than matthews![:' (]