FFCT....I like that. If you do not mind I would like to mention those four little words to a customer or two when they walk in.

Looks like Hoyt owner' s are the one' s doing most of the whining to me !!

Frank:

Go for it. No copyrights in this barn.

What this presents is the basic procedure that should be followed in setting up ANY bow. FIT the customer with the correct draw length, in the process you may have to correct his FORM (sometimes very diplomatically), make sure the whole set-up is COMFORTABLE to the archer (this includes things beyond draw length such as peep location), then TUNE it to the arrow while taking into consideration any form glitches that the archer may have.

Nubbb:

You' ve got a PM.

Thanks Len. It is nice to be able to be concise about it while at the same time having the ability to go into more detail when necessary.

Are you sure you do not want any royalties for the use of that method?

Personally i think that both companies make a great bow....and an ad in a magazine is not going to make me go out and buy a bow just because of that anyway. IMO i dont think there is anything wrong with having alittle fun with the compitition.

There is no doubt in my mind that Mathews is feeling a little pressure from Hoyt. Every shop I' ve gone into says that the Hoyt line is selling just as, if not better then Mathews. I personally like Mathews bows, but think that the Hoyts are also nice. Mathews is just proving a point, and now it' s time to see what Hoyt is going to come back with! Mathews has done nothing wrong, but show people out in the world that you really have to look into things! I see the same thing going on in adds between Zebra twist and Winners choice! It' s all advertising and trying to win over people! Mathews in my opinion really doesn' t even need to advertise as most people in the archery world know of them and feel they are the best bow money can buy!

Well we' ve gone from 2 cams to one cam and now a cam and 1/2.I will say after picking up a used maverick I have fallen in love with the CPS.It draws smooth,has a good valley and plenty of speed.It also has alot of draw length adjustability built in.Perhaps Darton should have done a better job marketing their bows.As for mathews they make some good bows.The LX and legacy are smooth and the valley is better.Mathews has allways done a good job marketing their products.I just think they have painted themselves into a corner with the singlecam.I think the curve for improvements has flattened out.It' s getting harder for them to invent new things to make people want too spend $700 bucks on a bow.I see them on their heels abit because they are not as much touting their bows as talking down the cam 1/2.This comes from a long time mathews shooter.

CB

Ther' s nothing wrong with informing the public!
If somebody doesn' t expose it for what it is people will continue to buy their bows thinking ther are no timing issues!
If Mathews is wrong than it is up to hoyt to prove it and ask mathews for a retraction and an apology!
If you think for a minute that if Hoyt had a little dirt on Mathews to help give them an edge in the market place and wouldn' t use it your fooling yourself!
My brother owns the RazorTec he bought 2 months ago and he now is looking in to this!
What right does a company have to tell you there are no timing issues but it turns out there possibly are!
I' m interested to see what Hoyts reaction to this is!
It' s just like Republicans and Democrats, when one slips the other pounces. It' s Human Nature and our Animal Instinct!
You gotta Love It!

Okay, this ad states that the Hoyt cam and a half system doesn' t have perfect nock travel. Now, look at the Mathews cam chart for nock travel in the ad. I am willing to bet that if I went and pulled a LX of the shelf, it wouldn' t have perfect nock travel as the ad suggests.

Now, who is trying to fool who here?????

BM, I just read the Hoyt response on another forum. They don' t deny that the LX has straight nock travel, they just say none of the other Mathews do. I think Nubb also posted on here that they had gotten similar results with an LX .

Hoyt' s response is interesting . Depending on how you look at it ! It will be interesting to see what you guys think. Personally I think it' s funny that Hoyt is going to be changing their 3 star advertising in favor of showing tournament wins. And although they made claims ........Mathews just blew all of them out of proportion !!