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The letter I read didn' t deny or confirm the LX has level nock travel because they hadn' t tested it.


As far as the Hoyt is concerned and the star chart.


Timing-3 stars. It is an awesome bow that shoots awesome and the timing issue that some seem to be coming up with is the same issue that a 1 cam has.So the star rating would be pretty close in that regard(they both have 3).It states in the catalog that JUST LIKE A 1 CAM it requires no timing.We know that 1 cams require them to be timed, so the add at worst is just as false as Mathews claims. I have shot my bow with the cables twisted in many directions and it makes no difference in how accurate the bow is.I have my top module a little behind my bottom because I like the feel of the bow this way.



Low vibration-3 stars. No one disputes this.Both the 1 cam and cam 1/2 have 3 stars.



Speed-3 stars. I haven' t heard any complain about speed from them as well.Speed from a smooth pulling cam system is great for the person such as myself that doesn' t like heavy poundage.Both the 1 cam and 2 cam have 2 stars.This is because both need to have a hard break over to produce the same speed as the cam 1/2.


Solid wall-3 stars. Again this is accurate.This can actually be adjusted depending on what the shooter likes.Just twist the cables to rotate the modules to your desired wall.Withinin reason of course.A couple twist one way or the other.


Level nock travel-3 stars.Is it perfect?Maybe not, but it is given the same rating as a 2 cam and most 2 cams don' t have PERFECT nock travel either(again the star chart is accurate) .As far as mine, it is set up level at full draw(on a machine) and checks level in the static position.Maybe it has some up or down movement during the draw.I can' t say for sure but some say it isn' t nearly as bad as the add shows.So who is being truthull or misleading.I tend to think they are both being a bit misleading, but not lying.


cam symmetry-3 stars. Star chart says it is the same as the 2 cam.Again I have found this to be quite accurate.Unless you do as Mathews did and completely do something that you would not do to any bow,be it a 1 cam,2 cam or a cam 1/2.What they did can be done to a 1 cam.Who can' t make a cam rotate from where it was intended?


Quiet- 3 stars. The bow is extremely quiet when shot as purchased.Again the star chart is accurate.1 cams were given 3 stars also.2 cams were given 1 star.In general a 1 cam will not be nearly as quiet as a 1 cam or the cam 1/2.




Low maintenance-3 stars for the cam 1/2. 2 stars for a 1 cam and 1 star for a 2 cam.Again from my experience I can say this is an accurate assesment as well.Although,with a quality strings and cables,the issue becomes a very moot point for most bows.




Forgiving-3 stars. This is probably the best asset to this system.It does shoot the same when short drawn(up to about 3/8" ) and it come that way right out of the box.Again the star chart is accurate.



As you can see,I don' t think that Mathews proved anything with their add.Except that they are willing to do or say whatever they want, to sell a bow. Their add was imo more misleading than any of Hoyts claims.


I had nothing against Mathews bows or the company untill now.I think the add was in poor taste and didn' t need to be done in this way.They can try to claim there bows are better.That is their advertising departments job.I just don' t think that saying your competitor is lying about their bows because you are losing sales is the thing to do. I talked to the shop owner today and he can say that in his shop that Hoyt has taken up to 40% of Mathews sales.That is the reason for the add and they weren' t concerned how misleading they were being in slamming Hoyt.


I have shot many bows and shot in many states and never heard an individual,be it pro or just a regular Joe try to discredit a bow or company in this fashion(unless it is between friends in a good hearted manner).If I did,I would not have listened and turned and walked away.

This what I think we all need to do with this add.TURN AND WALK AWAY.

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After Mathews' new ad ,Hoyt now says the LX wasn' t available for testing. Hoyt didn' t place in their ad that their 3 star rating was based on 2002 or previous models. If you and I read the same thing ,Hoyt in their new statement, refers to Mathews' straightline cam which came out in 1996 (?) !
I don' t think Mathews was right for placing the ad they did, but don' t sit back and tell me that Hoyt is a saint either !! If they were , I seriously doubt they would now be changing their advertising in future publications!

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I am not saying that anyone is a saint.

Advertising is meant to make your product look as good as possible.I don' t think that bashing another company does that but rather makes the ones doing it look childish.It is working.We are all talking about it.Now people will go to the shops to see what all the hoopla is about and while they are there they will check out both bows.A few sales will be made for both companies.


I do think that Hoyts star chart is much more accurate than the Mathews add.The add is set up to be very bias.The test was rigged,plain and simple.


Where have you seen that they are changing there strategy.I am sure that with all the wins that they will use them to advertise but I havn' t seen them pull away from there star chart.This is just good advertising imo.

Politics and advertising go hand n hand ya gotta love ' em!!! I try not to pay attention to either one, when the commercials come on when I am watching TV I mute it.

TFox, Don' t know if it will offend anyone.....so over on another popular forum there is a thread called " The Hoyt Response" it has several paragraphs pasted of Hoyt responses.
Don' t get me wrong either.....like I said , I don' t agree with Mathews on this , but I think Hoyt did their part in this also. And your completely right " They both win" we are giving them the publicity they sought ! [8D]

If Mathews is honestly better than Hoyt (which I wouldn' t know because I don' t shoot either) than they have every right to prove it. If Hoyt lied to their customers, than I think anyone, including Mathews has the right to prove them wrong. Mike,-

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I have read the response and I like the way Hoyt has handled it so far.They sent the letter to their dealers.This gives the dealers a chance to use the info provided as they wish.

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