If there is crappy customer service they wouldn't be getting anymore of my business.

A had a friend buy a new bow and have it setup by the pro shop, a 70 lb. Bowtech Guardian. I tried to get him to stick with a fixed blade broadhead, but he had to shoot the 'new' advertised heads. Shot 3 bucks combined with the 2 and then 3 blade heads without a pass through. My fixed blades passed through 4 out of 5 times last year.....

GMMAT,

I agree with you, however ignorant seems to have a very negative connotation, uninformed might have been a better word choice. But quabbling over word choice is silly so I am dropping it.

However I think the source of the ignorance rests largely on the Field Logic company. Their marketing has attempted to make every hunter think that the Rage would be the perfect broadhead with their setup, by claiming that their heads out penetrate a fixed blade COC head. Thats crazy! True with enough KE and proper tuning you can get pass throughs on deer sized game with a large expandable. But to say that they out penetrate a fixed blade is absurd. If they are calling their new head the 40ke than they should call their other heads the 60ke. But that would limit their consumer base to hunters with faster set-ups and limit profit. Basically I feel they are risking a large increase in the number of wounded deer out their in order to maximize profit. If you have the right set up its probably a great head, but at least tell people that.

And I've said as much, previously.

(and hey....I didn't even question your character!)

very very very true, I deal with customers on a daily basis that bash on a brand of BH because they ran a full sized 2 blade on a super light arrow out of a 50lb bow and they complain that it did not penetrate... kind of a no brainer

but when I try and get them into a correct BH/arrow set up for their bow then it's like I insulted their mother or something

YJ....Nearly EVERY archer I've ever talked to.....will tell you his bow is "Tuned".....if his BH's (mechanical) are hitting with his FP's.

And every one will be insulted if you question it.

I have very little faith in hunters who switch to mechanicals because they can't get a fixed BH to hit with their FP's (read - NONE). If anything....they should get the fixed heads hitting with their FP's.....THEN switch to a mechanical.

A mechanical BH is not to be used as a band-aid to mask a tuning issue. Period.

Perfect. Nuff said... If fixed blades will impact/fly like the fp's, THEN throw your mechanical on.

Band-Aid. Nice!

drock...I can say that about the folks I'm talking about....because "I" was one of them.

"Ignorant" would be the correct word....and that's not derogatory.

I don't know Jeff. I understand someone being ignorant versus being ignorant of brain surgery techniques and I may well be both but I sure enjoy hunting even if I use mechanicals which have never failed me. Some guys just want to get out there with a set-up that will do it's job. I know a lot of guys love the Rage and that is great mainly because it increases your confidence and thats worth every Doo Dad in the bow shop.

So what if someone makes up for not having a finely tuned bow by shooting mechanicals. If your arrows are sticking in the ground on the other side of the deer thats enough generally.

I KNOW you have developed a lot more technical knowledge in 4 years of hunting than I have in close to 40 and I applaud that but that doesn't translate into hunting skills.

On a slightly differing note Jeff how do you know if your bow is properly tuned? If it's not BH's and FP's hitting the same POA what is it. Do you shoot paper Jeff. I USED to when the Olympic archery shop up the street paper tuned everything!!

Can you/DO you "tune a traditional bow or are they a take it as you get it kind of thing.

For me Jeff not that it matters, I value your posts but your delivery has something to be desired. Denigration is usually not the best tool for teaching.

Shot the practice head a few times, P.I.T.A. I can see how the head can fail already. A fixed head is a series of locked into place razors. Unless you put it together wrong it ain't doing anything but slicing and dicing causing masive blood lose. The rage's cutters flop all over the place and appear that unless the head hits in a certain way anyones guess is as good at determinig how they will deploy. I know for a fact that a glancing blow with a Thunderhead will slice open whatever it contacts.

I've never understood the rage about things like the rage bh. I'm positive a great deal of the hype is produced by the company (s) that are selling "X" product.

Still I'm looking forward to the shot with a rage, if I'm disapointed rage will be on my list.

For me Jeff not that it matters, I value your posts but your delivery has something to be desired. Denigration is usually not the best tool for teaching. [/quote]


X2. I am a professional teacher who deals with high school students with reading issues. It almost impossible to reach a student unless they know you respect them.