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NOW i know some of you will be mad i asked this but anyway.
How is baiting any differnt then hunting over a cut corn field with freshly cut corn all over the ground. Now i am not talking clover food plots and even an uncut field. I am talking dumbing 100 pounds on corn on the ground. Or hunting over corn cut from a field on the grounds. Seems to be about the same thing to me |
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Congratulations! You're the millionth poster to address baiting.......this year!
You've won a bag of corn......and everybody knows that's all you need to kill deer. You're set! But to answer your question.....One makes people feel superior to his fellow hunters. The first time I see a corn stalk growing in the wild, indigenously.....I'll change my views on it NOT being an artificial food source (which would define bait, .....wouldn't it?). The difference in a corn field and baiting is......one guy was nice enough to shell it for the deer. In the case of the cut corn field. Heck.....they BOTH were! |
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Hey i want a free bag of corn. I need somethign to feed my beefers with, since our corn is still 32% moisture....
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Come on Tim, you have been around this site enough to know this horse is beat.
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Let me put it this way, Hunting over a corn pile is like going to the drive through at McDonaldsand getting10 BIG MACS for supper, its fast, its easy and you know exactly what you want and whereit is. Hunting over a cut corn field like going to the grocery store, the same foods are pretty much there but its huge, its spread out, and your mood and tastescontrol what part of the grocery store you shop in...;)
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Also Tim....what you'll find is....the people who are most against baiting live in states where it's illegal....and they have NO first-hand knowledge of the practice. I'd say they were ignorant....but that sounds a bit inflammatory. Ill-informed, yeah.
Everybody wants to think what they want to.....because I suppose it makes them feel superior in some way....if they can tear the other guy's means/methods down. I posted a study that was performed a couple years ago in SC. It proved that baiting actually led to LESS harvest % success, there. People can turn a blind eye to that all they want to.....but doing so on emotion and not fact is only perpetuating the ignorance. That's called denial. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I posted a study that was performed a couple years ago in SC. It proved that baiting actually led to LESS harvest % success, there. |
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The people you know kill more deer than they should (i.e POACH - by your own admission)...without a home for the meat.....and you turn a blind eye to that.
We have our own definition of "slobness" around here. You're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem......as far as "slobness" goes. |
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I want a free bag of corn too. That's been costing me $8 for a 50# bag
As previously stated, baiting doesn't actually increase hunter success; I haven't killed anything this year and only had a spike step into range. There is a lot of places for deer to enter the corn field I'm hunting around from the nearby thickets, the grocery store mentioned before. I don't feel slobish when I'm packing that 50# bag nearly every weekend from April - Jan. Loading up the mower and maintaining a path around that field. Dragging a rag soaked with deer urine behind me when I walk to my blind. Not to mention keeping my clothes in a bag, taking a scent free shower, and wearing a carbon suit. The area I hunt simply doesn't have the numbers of deer that other places have. Adding to my sheer frustration is the farmer turning cattle loose on my hunting spot, I can't do anything about it except find a new place. I'm attempting to get the deer to visit a small area that's inaccessible to cattle. I do not see any difference in me putting corn there versus if an apple tree, acorn laden oak, or small "food plot"happened to be there. |
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Damn apple trees, persimon trees, oak trees, honeysuckle vine, arrrggggg.. What was God thinking when he put out those natural feeders.
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I love it, Burnie....
It reminds me of the race wars of the civil rights 60's. WHite people madder than hell at blacks (and vice versa....for good reason).....and I always wish I could just stop someone and say..."What are you really mad about"? "I don't actually know, really.....we're just 'sposed to hate 'em". Brilliant. -------------------------------- Ya got two neighbors......one has an apple tree....one puts out apples. One is hunting in the true essence of the word.....and the other is entrenched knee deep in "slobness". That's brilliant, too. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I love it, Burnie.... It reminds me of the race wars of the civil rights 60's. WHite people madder than hell at blacks (and vice versa....for good reason).....and I always wish I could just stop someone and say..."What are you really mad about"? "I don't actually know, really.....we're just 'sposed to hate 'em". Brilliant. |
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Burnie....I was gonna hand one of these out earlier.....but he already owns one.
I'll be passing out these as this thread unfolds. I know there'll be one going to PA:D  |
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Thanks, I had to steal that pic GMMAT.;)
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Have at it, Burnie. Someone sent it to me, yesterday.
It'll be interesting to see how many people who were totally agaisnt elitist attitudes RE: weapons of choice will chime in here with an elitist attitude of their owntowards their way of hunting v. another's chosen, legal method.;) |
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I'm not even gonna answer to ANOTHER baiting thread.... Jeez
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I live in Texas where it’s legal to bait. When I hunt, I simply back my truck up with a bed full of corn and hit my cow caller. I’m too lazy to actually dump the corn out of the truck, but it don’t matter, the deer come so fast they fight to get in the back of my truck.Once the dinner bell has been rung, I carefully walk outwith a tape measure and start measuring racks. Key is to be careful, you don’t want to get trampled in the stampede. Ifthe deerare not big enough, I ring the dinner bell a second time. Which has never really happened, because once the corn shows up, the biggest deer in the county come running to my truck. But I keep the idea of calling a second time in the back of my mind just in case my first attempt doesn’t bring out all the Pope and Young’s. If you do ever have to call a second time, watch out, you don’t want to be stomped to death. I am an old salt when it comes to hunting, so I have developed the patience of Job. I’ll give each hunt a full 10 min. until I call it quits. Hell, you don’t think I’m going to stay out all day and hunt. But it really don’t matter, because it has never taken me more than a min. or two to get the deer I want. Once I pick out my deer, I put a collar on him, walk him to my truck, which in its self is a chore. Just imagine, I might have to walk a total of 5 ft. I’m only human. Once I walk my prize to my truck, I take a nap. It wears me out walking that much, so a two hour nap is a must. Once I wake from my nap, I down a case of beer and eat three pound cakes to prepare for the long journey back to the back of my truck. After my snack, I jump out of my truck and fight the deer off so I can get my bow out and shot my prize. I usually keep the shot challenging so I step back a half a foot before I shoot my deer. After my deer is dead, I take a chain saw and cut off the rack and leave the rest of the body. Why keep the deer, I’m beat from hunting all 10 min. You cannot expect me to actually do much more. I then load up the rack and my bow and take another nap. After that nap, I drink a quart of whiskey and eat three cases of Twinkies and head home. When I get home I kick the cat, have more beer and go to bed.
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I view hunting a cut corn field as taking advantage of your natural surroundings to harvest the animal.
Dumping out corn is like placing a "pylon" of sorts to redirect the deer to where you want to go. But then again..........we don't have corn, so I wouldn't know what it's like to hunt near one:( |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Also Tim....what you'll find is....the people who are most against baiting live in states where it's illegal....and they have NO first-hand knowledge of the practice. I'd say they were ignorant....but that sounds a bit inflammatory. Ill-informed, yeah. |
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To answer the question a cut corn field a deer can walk in the field anywhere you might not get a shot at him. A corn pile a deer will walk straight to it. That's the differance between the two.IMO
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656 How is baiting any differnt then hunting over a cut corn field with freshly cut corn all over the ground. Now i am not talking clover food plots and even an uncut field. I am talking dumbing 100 pounds on corn on the ground. Or hunting over corn cut from a field on the grounds. Seems to be about the same thing to me |
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You are all talking about corn, what about apples? Apple trees do grow indigeniously everywhere and I have found lots of animals in the vicinity.
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT The people you know kill more deer than they should (i.e POACH - by your own admission)...without a home for the meat.....and you turn a blind eye to that. We have our own definition of "slobness" around here. You're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem......as far as "slobness" goes. |
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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily I live in Texas where it’s legal to bait. When I hunt, I simply back my truck up with a bed full of corn and hit my cow caller. I’m too lazy to actually dump the corn out of the truck, but it don’t matter, the deer come so fast they fight to get in the back of my truck.Once the dinner bell has been rung, I carefully walk outwith a tape measure and start measuring racks. Key is to be careful, you don’t want to get trampled in the stampede. Ifthe deerare not big enough, I ring the dinner bell a second time. Which has never really happened, because once the corn shows up, the biggest deer in the county come running to my truck. But I keep the idea of calling a second time in the back of my mind just in case my first attempt doesn’t bring out all the Pope and Young’s. If you do ever have to call a second time, watch out, you don’t want to be stomped to death. I am an old salt when it comes to hunting, so I have developed the patience of Job. I’ll give each hunt a full 10 min. until I call it quits. Hell, you don’t think I’m going to stay out all day and hunt. But it really don’t matter, because it has never taken me more than a min. or two to get the deer I want. Once I pick out my deer, I put a collar on him, walk him to my truck, which in its self is a chore. Just imagine, I might have to walk a total of 5 ft. I’m only human. Once I walk my prize to my truck, I take a nap. It wears me out walking that much, so a two hour nap is a must. Once I wake from my nap, I down a case of beer and eat three pound cakes to prepare for the long journey back to the back of my truck. After my snack, I jump out of my truck and fight the deer off so I can get my bow out and shot my prize. I usually keep the shot challenging so I step back a half a foot before I shoot my deer. After my deer is dead, I take a chain saw and cut off the rack and leave the rest of the body. Why keep the deer, I’m beat from hunting all 10 min. You cannot expect me to actually do much more. I then load up the rack and my bow and take another nap. After that nap, I drink a quart of whiskey and eat three cases of Twinkies and head home. When I get home I kick the cat, have more beer and go to bed. |
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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily I live in Texas where it’s legal to bait. When I hunt, I simply back my truck up with a bed full of corn and hit my cow caller. I’m too lazy to actually dump the corn out of the truck, but it don’t matter, the deer come so fast they fight to get in the back of my truck.Once the dinner bell has been rung, I carefully walk outwith a tape measure and start measuring racks. Key is to be careful, you don’t want to get trampled in the stampede. Ifthe deerare not big enough, I ring the dinner bell a second time. Which has never really happened, because once the corn shows up, the biggest deer in the county come running to my truck. But I keep the idea of calling a second time in the back of my mind just in case my first attempt doesn’t bring out all the Pope and Young’s. If you do ever have to call a second time, watch out, you don’t want to be stomped to death. I am an old salt when it comes to hunting, so I have developed the patience of Job. I’ll give each hunt a full 10 min. until I call it quits. Hell, you don’t think I’m going to stay out all day and hunt. But it really don’t matter, because it has never taken me more than a min. or two to get the deer I want. Once I pick out my deer, I put a collar on him, walk him to my truck, which in its self is a chore. Just imagine, I might have to walk a total of 5 ft. I’m only human. Once I walk my prize to my truck, I take a nap. It wears me out walking that much, so a two hour nap is a must. Once I wake from my nap, I down a case of beer and eat three pound cakes to prepare for the long journey back to the back of my truck. After my snack, I jump out of my truck and fight the deer off so I can get my bow out and shot my prize. I usually keep the shot challenging so I step back a half a foot before I shoot my deer. After my deer is dead, I take a chain saw and cut off the rack and leave the rest of the body. Why keep the deer, I’m beat from hunting all 10 min. You cannot expect me to actually do much more. I then load up the rack and my bow and take another nap. After that nap, I drink a quart of whiskey and eat three cases of Twinkies and head home. When I get home I kick the cat, have more beer and go to bed. |
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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily I live in Texas where it’s legal to bait. When I hunt, I simply back my truck up with a bed full of corn and hit my cow caller. I’m too lazy to actually dump the corn out of the truck, but it don’t matter, the deer come so fast they fight to get in the back of my truck.Once the dinner bell has been rung, I carefully walk outwith a tape measure and start measuring racks. Key is to be careful, you don’t want to get trampled in the stampede. Ifthe deerare not big enough, I ring the dinner bell a second time. Which has never really happened, because once the corn shows up, the biggest deer in the county come running to my truck. But I keep the idea of calling a second time in the back of my mind just in case my first attempt doesn’t bring out all the Pope and Young’s. If you do ever have to call a second time, watch out, you don’t want to be stomped to death. I am an old salt when it comes to hunting, so I have developed the patience of Job. I’ll give each hunt a full 10 min. until I call it quits. Hell, you don’t think I’m going to stay out all day and hunt. But it really don’t matter, because it has never taken me more than a min. or two to get the deer I want. Once I pick out my deer, I put a collar on him, walk him to my truck, which in its self is a chore. Just imagine, I might have to walk a total of 5 ft. I’m only human. Once I walk my prize to my truck, I take a nap. It wears me out walking that much, so a two hour nap is a must. Once I wake from my nap, I down a case of beer and eat three pound cakes to prepare for the long journey back to the back of my truck. After my snack, I jump out of my truck and fight the deer off so I can get my bow out and shot my prize. I usually keep the shot challenging so I step back a half a foot before I shoot my deer. After my deer is dead, I take a chain saw and cut off the rack and leave the rest of the body. Why keep the deer, I’m beat from hunting all 10 min. You cannot expect me to actually do much more. I then load up the rack and my bow and take another nap. After that nap, I drink a quart of whiskey and eat three cases of Twinkies and head home. When I get home I kick the cat, have more beer and go to bed. Some my not like this, but I feel just like hunters who don't bait. There are good bait hunters and poor bait hunters. IMO to bait correctly is truly an art form. Using bait rasies the succes rate a whole 2% for archery, OMG 2%:D |
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I know it has been beat to death. just got in my head. I have no proplem with bait as long as it is legal. I do not see a food plot as bait but cut corn on the ground is another story. Let me know when your ready to mail me the bag of corn.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Congratulations! You're the millionth poster to address baiting.......this year! You've won a bag of corn......and everybody knows that's all you need to kill deer. You're set! But to answer your question.....One makes people feel superior to his fellow hunters. The first time I see a corn stalk growing in the wild, indigenously.....I'll change my views on it NOT being an artificial food source (which would define bait, .....wouldn't it?). The difference in a corn field and baiting is......one guy was nice enough to shell it for the deer. In the case of the cut corn field. Heck.....they BOTH were! |
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I hunt an overgrown pear orchard during the early season. That is without a doubt the most difficult place to kill a deer that I've ever hunted. Pears on the ground and the trees EVERYWHERE. You think you've got them patterned and the deer decide to eat on the other end of the property. This is 55 acres of hunting heaven, or so it appears. I've killed 3 deer there in the last 17 years. Very tough hunting. Maybe if I had a bag of corn....[8D]
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Lol. Just getting involved in the pissing contest. Didnt want to upset anyone, so I am playing sybil.:D:D:D
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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily Lol. Just getting involved in the pissing contest. Didnt want to upset anyone, so I am playing sybil.:D:D:D Why beat up on yourself. You just get hurt and it scares people.:D |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Also Tim....what you'll find is....the people who are most against baiting live in states where it's illegal....and they have NO first-hand knowledge of the practice. I'd say they were ignorant....but that sounds a bit inflammatory. Ill-informed, yeah. Everybody wants to think what they want to.....because I suppose it makes them feel superior in some way....if they can tear the other guy's means/methods down. I posted a study that was performed a couple years ago in SC. It proved that baiting actually led to LESS harvest % success, there. People can turn a blind eye to that all they want to.....but doing so on emotion and not fact is only perpetuating the ignorance. That's called denial. As far as experience...I know hunters around there that have much more success when they baitvs when they don't. I know a guy that dumps truck loads of sugar beats into river bottoms andhas shotP&Y bucks 3 out of the last 4 years on these piles. He has never been able to shoot a P&Y when NOT using bait. Honestly you have to be somewhat ignorant to say there is no difference between a 160 acre field of cornvs a pile of food. |
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ORIGINAL: bigcountry ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily Lol. Just getting involved in the pissing contest. Didnt want to upset anyone, so I am playing sybil.:D:D:D Why beat up on yourself. You just get hurt and it scares people.:D |
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I bait.
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Are there anyhunters in the theatre tonight
Get'em up against the wall There's one in the spotlight He don't look right to me Get him up against the wall And that one looks like he is wearing camo And that one's using urine Who let all this riff-raff into the room There's one hunting a plot And another with spots If I had my way I'd have all of you shot How I love Pink Floyd. |
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I just don't feel that it's ethical to put out a pile of corn that can in no occur naturally in the environment So the difference in a corn field and a bait pile is the size of the pile? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Burnie....I was gonna hand one of these out earlier.....but he already owns one. I'll be passing out these as this thread unfolds. I know there'll be one going to PA:D
As for the comparison to food plots, I get offended there too. Please don't lump me in with baiters who simply buy bags of corn, when I am out there in March clearing more trees and then in April tilling, and then all summer beating back ferns so my new plantings can get sunlight. It's just not the same. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Burnie....I was gonna hand one of these out earlier.....but he already owns one. I'll be passing out these as this thread unfolds. I know there'll be one going to PA:D
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What you loathe is called "poaching" in your state.
How do you feel about hutners in states where it's legal, Ben? No wrong answer. I respect your opinion. I've done it, here. I hunted almost the entire '05 season over bait. I never killed a deer, that year. Only when I moved away from the bait did I start to find success.....and find the way I wanted to hunt these animals. I put out bait, yesterday. I had raked up a bunch of acorns from my yard and placed them in a woodlot I'm taking the guy who painted the house into in the morning. I won't even take a bow.....and I'm not sure what I did is even technically "baiting" (nto that it matters, here). Doesn't matter, to me. I hope he nails a slammer. If I lived in a state wher eit was illegal.....and people were doing it (baiting)....Id hate that, too. No arguments, here. |
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Legal in Fla. on privite land. When I was in a club we did it on every plot we had. Then sat in a shooting house. Saw lots of deer. You still needed to put in LOTS of time to kill a decent deer.
The woods in the south are way different than the woods in the Mid West or NE. Acres upon Acres of planted pines, no Ag fields in Hunting club areas or on the public lands. Deer Move, Bed and eat Anywhere / Everywhere. A food plot or feeder down here is like a river bottom or pinch point in the mid-west. |
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