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Then there is the rare few like kent who I believe seriously doesn't care what someone thinks. You got to respect that.

I admit I like a good argument on the road, in person, or on the web.

I think the web just lends people to argue more. For some like myself, I make blanket statments. Probably a bad practice. But I do this for a few reasons. The main one is I am lazy on typing and know it would take me twice as long to reply if I covered exactly prescisly how I feel on a subject. For instance, yesterday when we discussed donating animals. Not everyone that donotes are slobs. No doubt about it. But I just got thru dealing with a fellow hunter who is a slob when it comes to that.

Or on this thread, I mentioned some don't like the slobnish of baiting. Now, I am not exactly a fan of baiting, but I don't feel that way. But most I know that oppose it, does feel that way. I don't like baiting because I feel it leads itself to spread disease.

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THAT was well said. Kudos.

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Understood. Well, almost understood, 'cause I don't know who "Kent" is.:D I don't mind a good debate, but I don't like arguments. Despite the fact that in a debate, you do "argue" your point, it's supposed to be done respectfully and under a set of rules or guidelines. If not, at least a little courtesy and respect is included.

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Kent is burnie. I bet ya if these arguments were done face to face, over 90% of them would end without anybody getting upset. But then thier is that 10% that would be a battle royal. Thats the ones we would have to watch out for.

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It's the INTENT of the product not the intent of the hunter that makes the difference. corn fields are not aimed at luring in deer, in fact, I think you'd find most farmers prefer the deer stay out. A bait pile is just that, BAIT to lure an animal in

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ooh, I think I just found another blurb on the arguement to ban baiting in MD. Thanks.

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So it's the intent of the product, now....and not the intent of the hunter?

I'm assuming, then....that if the personputting out cornsimply stated he was supplemental feeding....then his intent for his product couldn't be misconstrued as baiting?

I'll buy yours if you buy mine!

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Think a little deeper. The intent of the product corn planted by farmers is put out by farmers who may be hunters. The intent is to grow a crop with which they can make money be it by selling the corn or feeding their cows, etc. The intent of the product is based on who sets it out. Corn in piles is put out by hunters (some of whom may be farmers) but it is in no way, shape or form put out for any reason other than luring in an animal.

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I just told you his intent was to supplementally feed the animals. That's noble.....just like the farmer's intent (even though his involves a profit motive).

What's the hunter hunting the ag field edge using the corn for? To lure in an animal?

If you wanna say you're against baiting at all costs.....just say so. Tiptoeing around/trying to justify why an equally artificial food source ISN'T baiting is ludicrous.

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Oh, if you couldn't figure it out in the first place, I am against baiting at all cost. But, if you STILL think farmers put out corn fields with the intent to attract deer in to hunt, then, well, yikes.

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I never said they did. Don't know where that came from.

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Loathe.[8D] There's three, and that's why I used it, to speak volumes, rather than simply state I can't friggin stand baiting, particularly the illegal kind.

Germ, after enjoying your endeavors after Mr. Mass, I wouldn't have pegged you as a guy that could make a statement like that. You are a better man than me.;)

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I do not just mean corn even the pears. Or soybeans or what ever. Though the pears are not cut off and some left on the ground. I think that is just alittle farther on the other side of the bait food plot line

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Thank god..I can finally sleep at night. I like this post. You got out there and had some guts.

You'll never see me with bait on the 550 acres I have in Huron County because its all farm land and corn fields. Aim at the sky and you'll hit venison somewhere...

However, The type of property I have access to a few miles from home (southern Mich)IS NOT farm land...

I can't bait this year because a doe with QWD was brought from Wisc. and put in a ranch in Kent County. The DNR banned bait for now.Still investigating....I'm hoping they'll lift it before next year...

I just like to kill deer guys...and I like to see deer...so when I'm on my local piece down the street its nice to have a bag of corn...and with little babies keeping me busy at homenow...its refreshing to bring home some venison and not have to make the 2 hour commute away from my family every weekend to the thumb of Michigan. It is a true Paradise up there. I need to get Schultzy & Magic up there with me and we can hit some bars and shoot some stick. And Rory & Simon.

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They still won't get it butso true!! :D

Tim

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What kills me is......people will raise holy hell at the first hint of someone even hinting at being an "eltitist" and not being accepting of their choices of weapons to hunt with.

Then these same folks would rather run around the block to tell the guy who's employing a legal method of taking game (baiting) that he's doing something unethical.....or that his kills don't mean as much as theirs......than they would to stand still and be accepting of another hunter.

Utter hypocrisy. Next time someone mentions "location".....and someone's panties get in a bunch....thinking his "accomplishments are being diminished"....remember this post. How do you think the man who baits feels, right now?

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Well, after reading 10 pages the only thing I could add is that some hunters I know do every thing legal in their state to attract deer. This includes food(plots and feeders), scents(tarsal gland and doe estrous), sounds(rattling and grunt tubes) and visual( Buck, doe decoys). In my opinion, they're all a form of "baiting". Some use all and others use some but as hunters, I believe it's in our nature to to attract our prey to within killing range. Some weapons don't require us to be as close as others but at the end of the days hunt, each hunter must be happy with what he's doing or there's just no point in doing it. Personally I love taking a deer with my compound as well as with my muzzleloader and my .270. I've used all the methods mentioned above(except a decoy) with all my weapons of choice and they all tasted the same and I'm just as proud of one as the other. God, I love deer hunting. Keep it legal and keep it safe.......Happy Hunting.

Bernie, great job on the bows. My brother used to make take down recurves but I don't think he's ever taken a deer with one. That's quite an accomplishment in my eyes.

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I will tell you this though i can not bait now because indiana is a no bait state i did in Ky. Year round 2 50 pound bags of corn every week for over a year and half. If i shot a deer buck or doe from a bait pile i would not even tell one guy on here it was from bait.

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So all that bait, in Ky, how did it work out for you? Did you kill some booners?

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Ben if I thought a pile of corn would bring Mr. Mass in, I'd have done it:D In reality I have found hunting without bait makes ME more succesful on how I want to hunt.

We tend to worry to much about our image, one thing I have learn is no one really cares[8D] Think about a group you really don't care about. Goths come to mind for me, I really have never thought about them:D

Ben I learned how to hunt over bait, in Northen MI it was the only way most hunted. I found more enjoyment huntng funnels and bedding areas. Now my Gramps loves to have a little bait and see some deer.

MI ban baiting forever this year in SLP, I support the ban and the reason DNR did so. I still think the DNR moved a bit fast, but what is done is done.

MI had a two gallon limit on bait, which very few obeyed. The way we were baiting was not only hurting the herd, but was hurting other hunters. I can see the day when baiting will be banned in all states for deer. It's coming for sure.

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But all this talk about elitist and all got me thinking. My wise old grandfather always said it takes two to fight. He was right. Why do all you guys who bait get offended? Why not be like Kent (burnie) and don't give a hoot if someone thinks its slob hunting. If no one got offended, no one would be called an elitist.

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Based upon how my season went 2% sounds great......

I personally do not bait whether it is ahuman planted food plot, the various gels,minerals and the like. BUT i am not against a person whochoose to bait. we all huntdifferent ways, each of us hunt in a way that satisfies our own personal views of hunting.I personlly like the quiet time in thewoods to think and unwind and i also like spending the summer in the woodsscouting and trying to figureout where the deer will be,where they move. Ive done well, enjoyed myself and have made many memories.

My input on corn field vs bait is that Corn in a field (cut or uncut) was not put there for the deer it was put there to grow for sale. Pile of corn in the middle the woods slightly left of the the deer run is not natural. Fields in my opinion are just a food source. we as hunters always look for travel routes to and from food, water, bedding scrapes and rubs. Fields although planted by humans are occurring naturaly ( by growing) in the environment and deer who are like all animals look for the easy meals so they will flock to them. is going to an area the has a sign and acorns on the ground from aoak tree 50 years old and putting up a stand baiting.... you know there is a good chance deer are going to come there because of the food. if you really look at it the woods are a huge food plot were deer eat. WE ALL USE BAIT some just bring there in on thier backs other spend time to find where they dine naturally and what road they use to get there.

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Because they're made to feel like second-class deer hunters by the elitists.

I guess if people hunting the midwest wouldn't get offended by "location" discussions.....and people hunting with multiple weapons wouldn't get offended by "purist" discussions.....then people baiting shouldn't get offended by baiting discussions. Sounds simply dreamy!

But it's like you can't even mention the words! It's proven itself to be something some are unable to discuss without passing judgement.

I'll discuss all of these topics all day long and not pass judgement. If everyone took that pledge.....we wouldn't have an issue. Botoom line is......people won't get offended if they're not talked to offensively.

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"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent"Enough said.

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I personally do not take offense to others on this topic, or other so called "controversial" topics for that matter. I've baited, actually like the scent blocker line, use an outfitter,and have never hunted with a rifle, but could care less if anyone does, does not, etc. So long as it's legal. I've flipped flopped this year on bows, BT, Elite and now on to Hoyt. Everyone has an opinion. I do what I do to enjoy my hunting the way I want to. I'm a big fan of Tred Barta and Cameron Hanes of late, but doesn't mean I want to do it their way or it's the only way. Too much emphasis is being made on conforming to the way the other guy/gal thinks is the best or only way. Advantages, I'll take them, whether that means working harder, smarter or by what legal means are allowed to me. Does it diminish my accomplishments or lack there of, or anyone elses, not in my eyes. I still admire animals taken with bow, rifle, crossbow or spear for that matter. They all have an adventure or story, which is why I come online to read about.

Back to baiting...I've seen deer come to in in force and then not touch it for weeks. It has provided me with meat, trophies and frustration for many years. If I could set up on the edge of a soybean plot, apple orchardor corn field, I probably would so long as I had seen deer or "the deer" I wanted to harvest. It's all about patterning deer and making use of what you have available to you to put you on your game. I still study my deer, put a plan in place, practice and work hard to take my deer. If a hunter can put himself/herself on a deer, judge a clean opening and close the deal, you've accomplished a lot in my eyes and have experienced something that so many have not or ever will. Congrats.

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Wahoo -

Great....I'll copy that and paste it up on the next bowhunting purist or "location" thread in here. Should be popular.

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YOu know wahoo, I can see that cav eduction is starting to pay off. Thats twice you have came up with some great points that I agree with 100%. Is this going to behabit? Are you going to be a conservative before long so we can hang out and hunt and stuff?[8D]

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1) Ah thinks that baiters are traitors ta this heasport.

2) Peoples who is only using a compound bows caint's kno how it rilly feals ta take thems deer the true man's way i.e. / e.g. a recurve.

4) If you use a rahfle in a scope to hunt you aints no sportsmen.

5) All you eliterist people is not special with your hah n mighty additutes ok?

3) If you don't use more than 12 and 13/32 of a bucket of corn I thank it shouldn't be considered as bait n.

6) Compound bow is the most superiorest form of weapon ta keal a deer.

8) Hunter's who caint hit a deer @ 700 payses are not real men.

7) The rill men r tha ones who kin only hunt wif a bow he made with a tree he planted himself.

GOSPELL!!!

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One day i saw 18 deer out my back window a once. Every morning i would see aleast 10 when i ate breakfest. Though most of them were there before the corn. i had it out to help my hunting and help feed the deer.
I only hunted my little chunk of land twice that year. I was clearing some of it off and readying it for the next season when i moved.
It worked and they where there all hours of the day. Though there was not much for 10 miles for food out sde berries and so on in the woods. No farming no nothing but hay.

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I could really care less about what people think about how i hunt. so i am not getting offened.

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Dont know what you mean, Kelly. I was saying I'd post up wahoo's comment.

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Sorry...I didn't understand that...I've edited.

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Where you lived there, the deer does not need help being fed. But the question I asked was did you kill any big bucks? Yes?

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Umm, okie dokey

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NO but i did not kill a deer that year any where. I saw alot more deer when i set out the corn. I think the reason i did not kill one was because i started target shooting on the property not to far from the corn and where the deer would come up at. i think the shooting ran them off.

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I really don't care how you get your deer as long as legal.Baiting isn't the same as hunting crop land...just as hunting big woods isn't the same as hunting crop land or bait piles.

Driving deer isn't the same as stalking or hunting out of a stand. We don't feel a need to compare them. Why do we need to compare baiting ?? That one kills me.It is anothermethod of legally taking deer in some states (mine included ). Let it stand on it's own merit. Quit making excuses... it is what it is. Be proud to be a baiter !! ;) :D

Tim

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Tim I just hope the baiters dont get to ole 4x5 until either you or I get a whack at him! ;)

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Thats gospel right there from the Master Baiter.:D:D:D Tim demands it.

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While I don'tbait deer... Ihavebeen known to use bait for trapping and fishing. I still demand respect though...OLD MAN!! [8D] :D:D

Tim