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I've put out 1500lbs of corn this year. The deer in alot of places are only hitting the bait at night now that the booms sticks are out. Before rifle season my Dad set over several of our places and seen alot deer, just traveling through that didn't even stop to eat. I feel like it helps concentrate the deer more, but hunting directly over a bait pile is rough in my experience. I don't start baiting until right b/f muzzleloader season and I do this to concentrate the does in hopes of seeing a trailing buck. For the most part it's worked. I've passed up several bucks this year that would score around 110", and seen a couple out of bow range that would go P&Y.
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NChunterman
One question, do you feel the cost justifies the end result? If those deer are already there, and no bait pile "might" keep them from going nocturnal, wouldn't it(the cost of the bait) be better invested in somthing else? Just a question really, not degrading anything here. Dandbuck |
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My Dad had a botched surgery 2 years ago and is left numb in the backs of his legs and the bottom of his feet. He has very little balance. Anything I can do to keep him in the sport I'll do. He can't cant stand up and turn around to shoot a deer like you and I, so in my case it's 100% justifiable. I don't hunt over bait 100% of the time actually I don't more often than not. If he could walk as good as I could I'd probably only buy 1/3 of that to help concentrate the does pre-rut through rut.
Edit: Where I hunt there is a bait pile around every corner, MOST everybody baits. |
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Let me add this because I find it very interesting. I have 60 acres that I've hunted for the past 5 years. My herd there would average between 10 to 13 does per a sit or glassing pre season. The adjacent land got leased to a hunting party 3 years ago, this should be good right(pressure)? I've seen a total of 8 deer on that 60 acres this season. I done some research ("trespassing"as it's not posted)and the adjacent land owners have put out un Godly amounts of corn/bait sitesand they have harvested some nice deer. They have a stand around every corner with a fresh corn at all times. I can't/not gonna compete with that. Call'm lazy/slobs or whatever, but they have concentrated most if not all the deer in the area to their parcel.
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Sure you did Jeff. You have several times posted that certain views promote elitism and are ignorant. For you to know they are are ignorant, ill informned or elitist, you need to know better than them. So therefore, one can conclude you feel you superior to us dumb folk who know nothing about deer or thier habits. Maybe you are. Oh BTW....there's NEVER been a case of CWD reported in our baiting-legal state. Ignorance runs rampant. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Sure you did Jeff. You have several times posted that certain views promote elitism and are ignorant. For you to know they are are ignorant, ill informned or elitist, you need to know better than them. So therefore, one can conclude you feel you superior to us dumb folk who know nothing about deer or thier habits. Maybe you are. Oh BTW....there's NEVER been a case of CWD reported in our baiting-legal state. Ignorance runs rampant. |
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Well, DUDE, surfs up and ll that. Well, there has been in Eastern Ky, Northern WV, and others. So maybe you might get lucky and it just pass you by. Its moving someway or another. It just doesn't miracle itself to a spot. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Well, DUDE, surfs up and ll that. Well, there has been in Eastern Ky, Northern WV, and others. So maybe you might get lucky and it just pass you by. Its moving someway or another. It just doesn't miracle itself to a spot. |
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry ORIGINAL: GMMAT You're acting like every (or even the "average") person who baits does so with precision and unabated tact. Get real, Trevor.;) We're not discussing the people who have this down to an art form. I thought we were discussing the practice "in general". Your example is like trying to compare Phil Mickelson going for a par 5 in two from 277yds......and whether or not "golfers" should try it. Hell yeah it works most times......if you're Phil. Most baiters ain't Phil;) Most baiters dump it in the drink and make 8.  In general, that's what ALOT of guys around here do...They dump out corn, and then hunt over it. No art form, no golfing. Not year round bait stations, not guys that hunt 5x a week. Maybe once a week guys, if that. These guys "in general" dont hunt enough to pressure deer in the first place. Oh well, now it just sounds like I am generalizing all baiters which is what I wanted to steer clear from, because they aren't all the same just as all non baiters arent the same. We both realize that though. It ain't like I'm calling it easy. I'm just saying a bait pile helps your odds, as does being in the woods during the rut, using scents, hunting trails instead of this spot looks good, being scent cautious, hunting great farms over average farms, switching it upduring setupsetc....plenty of tactics hunters employ to improve their odds, baiting absolutely being one of them. |
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I've proven that the fear of the spread of CWD in our state is unfounded. We've been a baiting state for years....and there's yet to be a confirmed case of the disease.
Yet it's one of the first things uneducated people (in regards to baiting, here) cite as a reason to oppose it. |
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[quote]ORIGINAL: cooter144
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Also Tim....what you'll find is....the people who are most against baiting live in states where it's illegal....and they have NO first-hand knowledge of the practice. I'd say they were ignorant....but that sounds a bit inflammatory. Ill-informed, yeah. Everybody wants to think what they want to.....because I suppose it makes them feel superior in some way....if they can tear the other guy's means/methods down. I posted a study that was performed a couple years ago in SC. It proved that baiting actually led to LESS harvest % success, there. People can turn a blind eye to that all they want to.....but doing so on emotion and not fact is only perpetuating the ignorance. That's called denial. As far as experience...I know hunters around there that have much more success when they baitvs when they don't. I know a guy that dumps truck loads of sugar beats into river bottoms andhas shotP&Y bucks 3 out of the last 4 years on these piles. He has never been able to shoot a P&Y when NOT using bait. Honestly you have to be somewhat ignorant to say there is no difference between a 160 acre field of cornvs a pile of food. [/quote ] AMEN   |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I've proven that the fear of the spread of CWD in our state is unfounded. We've been a baiting state for years....and there's yet to be a confirmed case of the disease. Yet it's one of the first things uneducted people (in regards to baiting, here) cite as a reason to oppose it. KY has no importation of live cervids. KY has no importation of any brain or spinal matter on dead deer (no heads, for a euro you must remove brains before returning home with your deer)...I think this even includes bone marrow, meaning meat should be deboned before brought into the state. |
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Baiters are shooters, not hunters, IMHO. Never will change that opinion. Does that make me ignorant or an elitist? IT DOES make me a happy hunter though.
    . What is more than evident in this thread is the lack of ability to respect other's opinions on the topic. But hey, they're probably bullies in real life also, sad to say. That's one of the great things about hunting. Apparently even the sad ones can be successful from time to time. To each his own, and I guess if it's legal, have at it. I choose not to, so handle it. |
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Does that make me ignorant or an elitist? The latter (Elitist)? Yeah. That makes you an elitist. If you'd said the same thing RE_ bowhunting v. gun hunting.....I'd say the same thing. |
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I have no respect for compound bow hunters. Its a slobs bow. Its the lazy way to kill and animal. It is far to easy. Hell, 90% of yall are shootintg 80% let off, why not just get a gun. Not much challenge to that. A compound bow hunter is not a hunter, but a killer.
Sound familure.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D For those of you who know me, will know the above is not how I feel, just turning some pages here.:D;) |
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ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily I have no respect for compound bow hunters. Its a slobs bow. Its the lazy way to kill and animal. It is far to easy. Hell, 90% of yall are shootintg 80% let off, why not just get a gun. Not much challenge to that. A compound bow hunter is not a hunter, but a killer. Sound familure.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D For those of you who know me, will know the above is not how I feel, just turning some pages here.:D;) |
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Baiters are shooters, not hunters, IMHO. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I hear ya Jeff, there are a lot of knuckle heads out there who probably do more to ruin a hunting spot by trying to bait it but that's not my point. If done correctly (like anything else) is should produce better results over not baiting at all. I still can't see how it doesn't. Now what do you do? You've killed ONE. See....the problem (IN REALITY....where people bait)....is...they keep hunting the same old baited spot.....the same old way.....entering the same way.....exiting the same way......etc...., etc..., etc... You see the trend. So now what do they do from that point on? Their baited spot will suffer. Period. That feeder out in the middle of nowhere when other sources of food is scarce is going to be an oasis for the deer....and they will go to it. People feed deer all the time and they keep coming day in and day out. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Does that make me ignorant or an elitist? The latter (Elitist)? Yeah. That makes you an elitist. If you'd said the same thing RE_ bowhunting v. gun hunting.....I'd say the same thing. LMAO!! Handle it! |
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